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Discussion in '1973-1991 K5 Blazer | Truck | Suburban' started by CK5, May 18, 2001.

  1. CK5

    CK5 In my underwear Administrator Premium Member GMOTM Winner Author

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    Just thinking about doing another project some day. (deep thoughts by Jack Handy)
    Thinking S-10 rock buggy, I know some of you are working on things like this so here goes
    - would it be better to put an s-10 body on a K5 frame and go from there or would grafting axles to the s-10 frame be better? I have seen a few done both ways but have not asked them about them.
    - should I use 1-ton axles or should I go light and try something else?
    (I do have an extra front Dana 60 and 14 bolts are a dime a dozen)
    Keep in mind this would be a rock buggy more or less, I would remove the entire top/doors and tailgate and install a full cage, I'm looking for a low-cost all GM rock buggy.

    What do you think??

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  2. JoeAngelicchio

    JoeAngelicchio 1/2 ton status

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    Should work either way. DON'T YOU CHOP UP THE UAV!!!!!!!![​IMG]
    Steve check out Four Wheeler April 2001 issue on page 50. It's #2, S-10 hybrid. Maybe a fullsize frame that's chopped.
    # 54 and 65 also.
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  3. Burt4x4

    Burt4x4 3/4 ton status

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    Why not just make an all tube vehicle like all thoes other folks do. Sniper Spider whatever its called...
    Whats a matter you running outa things to do to your K5??
    I think your K5 gives you pleanty of intertainment on the trail allready, doesn't it? Do you want to start competeing in rockcrawling events? Or just getting board??

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  4. CK5

    CK5 In my underwear Administrator Premium Member GMOTM Winner Author

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    The reason for using something like an S-10 instead of a full tube buggy is that I can still drive it on the street as a registered S-10 Blazer and it would be a hell of a lot cheaper.
    I love my K5 but it has it's limits, I want to run ANY trail which means all the hardcore ones, it's hard to stomic J**PS and Toys going where I can't, without MAJOR damage anyway.

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    Look for a S-10 ZR2 chassis.. I had one.. and it's modified for the full size Tahoe rear axles.. I believe the S-10 with the Zr2 package is 2 inches wider to accomodate the full size Tahoe rear axles.
    My S-10 was equipped with the 10 bolt rear and eaton locker in it.. Wish I still had that truck.. it went nearly anywhere..
    Now that they are making solid axle conversion kits... wish I never got rid of it..
    GO FOR IT Steve.&gt; !!!!!

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    A guy in our club just built something like this after getting tired of dragging his 1-ton long bed through the trails. He started with a rusty '72 K-5 (I hated to see it get chopped but the body was completely rotted) for the chassis (350, 4-speed, 205, Dana 44 front, 12-bolt rear) and grafted on an S-10 Blazer body. It's definitely not a show truck, but it was done right and looks good (for a trail rig). The suspension was rebuilt but utilizes stock height springs and runs 33x12.50's with front fender trimming (I'm guessing it sits about 5-6" taller than a stock S-10), and the frame doesn't hang down low either (if you were thinking there is a huge body lift built into it.....).

    Anyway, it does really good on the trail (he does have front and rear lockers). Another guy is getting ready to put an extended cab S-10 body on his 1-ton (big block, dana 60/14-bolt, 42" Swampers....).
     
  7. BadDog

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    Isn't that what WhiteKnight is doing?

    I had thought about that as a body for my K30 (along with 73-5 K5 (the original idea), tube body on K30 frame, Crew Cab on K30 frame, etc.). One of my goals is to ditch allot of weight (1 ton gear and light weight, oh yeah!) and reduce size (for the same reason you mentioned). I'm not sure how much the S-10 Blazer bodies weigh but it seems viable. Especially with the wheel wells cut almost completely out along with removing the top and doors. Obviously, I would definitely use the heavier frame. My thought was to build a sort of adapter tube frame that bolted to the original mounts (rubber and all) on the frame AND bolt to the S-10 body (again, with the rubber). I expect this would provide the equivalent of about a 4” body lift minimum depending on how the thing makes up. With the adapter frame and the double layer of isolators, it should still flex pretty well without destroying the body (which will be substantially weakened by removal of the top). Other than designing crafting the adapter frame (and cutting down the full-size frame) seems like the toughest thing to do would be hooking up the steering, shifter, brakes, etc. which would not be too bad, all things considered. Oh, and don’t forget that the engine compartment will be VERY tight even with a SBC in there. Mounting a big enough radiator for sufficient cooling on the trail might be a problem (especially here in Phoenix). One other thing, those full size axles are going to stick out pretty bad which means to be legal in most places huge flares will be required.

    That’s all I can remember from my personal, internal debate on this issue. Due to the number of issues involved, I have sorta shelved this idea for now. For about the same effort and less cost (I think, without the cost of the S-10 donor) I can pick up a decent welder, tubing bender, and notcher. I’m now kicking around building something that looks like the Scorpion/Sniper/RogerBuilt but based on the K30 frame with seating for 4 (6?) plus a small bed. The K30 will also likely donate the core support and firewall/windshield to save on fab effort. The rest of the body would be built like the Sniper/Scorpion with checker plate panels attached with fasteners to tabs on the tubing (easy access) and an open top. I’m thinking the fenders would look like the front fenders on a Jeep Flatty (front and rear on mine) to keep down the thrown rocks and maybe allow it to be titled/registered under the kit car guidelines. With bolt on fenders, the could easily be removed/replace if damaged wheeling (or removed on nasty trails).

    Anyway, good luck with your planning. My plans are probably over ambitious since I can never seem to find time to do anything (work/business, wife, kids, dog, house, yard,...) but, we will see...

    Bad Dog

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    Soon: 4" lift, 40" tires, massive cutting, shorter wb and rear overhang.
     
  8. Triaged

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    Go with a s-10 frame and a D44 front. You don't need 1 ton gear under a 3500 lb truck and the stuff is much cheeper (and than you can sell the "extra" D60 to one of us for cheep).

    '71 Blazer CST with alot of rust
     
  9. CK5

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    I talked to guy over EJS that had a S-10 on a K5 frame with one ton gear, it still weighed 5200 pounds but still had all the body, he said to avoid the nasty body lift looking part he refabed the rear floor and sat the body on it flush in the front, looked good, he also stretched the front fenders (could of looked better if he spent more time though) I will post a pic of it.
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    I would use the ZR2 but it is to expensive to bash on rocks.

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  10. HarryH3

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    You might want to see what some of the guys over at <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.s10-4x4.com>http://www.s10-4x4.com</A> are doing with their rigs. There's a kit available to swap out the IFS for a leaf spring, solid axle design. It is set up to use the front axle from a Wrangler, but could probably be easily modified for your needs.

    I'd recommend a 2-door S-Blazer for this since the rear doors on the 4-door would make it tough to enlarge the rear wheel wells. Mid-to-late 80's S-10's are cheap, since they're mostly worn out and had the wimpy 2.8L V6 under the hood. You should be able to pick up a complete truck for short money.

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    If you wait a few month's i'll tell you all about my 1-ton S10 :) Narrow, shorter (108" wheelbase) than my longbox. Features include 454, Th400, Doubler, narrowed D60 front, 63" wide 14BFF rear, all in a 1994 S10 2x4 with coils and 4-links.

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    Dude, seriously, if you want to build a GM-based rock-buggy w/o the tube frame and it's problems, look for a used 90+ S10 4x2. It is just as easy to convert the 4x2 to 4x4 D60 front, and it is set up for coil springs already (not links, just springs). You can use leaf springs also if you want to on the 4x2 frame. If you are swapping motor/trans/transfercase/axles (you had better be) you should find a 4x2, which is substantially cheaper at least in WI.

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  13. mattman

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    I know this isn't an S-10, but is this the type of small rockcrawler that you're after? It's got a shorter wheelbase than a Jeep and is narrower too.

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    Not trying to start a war, just curious.

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    I'll toss a couple cents in.

    I've seen a big block with headers wedged in a S10 (show truck, but it was in there)

    Changing plugs on a 4.3 L engine is a B!TCH!

    I've gotta buddy who is putting a complete tube frame and funny car cage in a '67 camaro. He's useing the '67's firewall/doors/body. He says it's going to be -street legal. -This guys VERY sharp, He's has every single ASE cert there is (even h/d certs) Plus He's one of only 1?00 master techs in elec./driveability in the U.S.!

    Maybe use D/Z (quick releaase) fasteners to hold body panels to a tube skeleton-

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    there was a hybrid ay tellico that was an s-15 pickup cab on a blazer chassis. he had a 14 blt, d44, and a badass little small block under the hood. he was also running big wide boggers out back, and skinny ones in the front. i didnt talk to him, but i think depdog and keith did. i saw it when it was parked, so i dodnt know how well it did on the trails, but it looked like it would handle about anything! hybrids seem to be popular here in the east, but im sure you west coasters have your fair share, too....

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    Steve,
    I think you should go tube frame with K5 skins. Why can't you run a tube buggy on the street??? Here in Michigan there are loads of tube frame dune buggies running around that are registered for road use, so how hard can it be? Also K5 skins would be cheap to get, especially from a junk yard. So the most expensive part would be the chassis, but to cut costs there, you could use a K5 chassis to start with (which would be easy to set up with D60, 14 Bolt, BBC, TH400 [or SM465], ORD Doubler), then go tubing off the chassis to hold the skins, and of course a cage to keep you safe. This way you could get a K5 narrow enough, and short enough to keep the body off the rocks, but still have the awsome K5 body (which is one of my favorite body styles). I have never seen anything like this, so it would be unique [​IMG].

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    Realsquash, I hope you plan on taking lots of pics, sound sweet, I might go full-width for extra stability though.

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    I wheeled with Jeff over EJS this year, cool guy, the bronco seems to do well also, I would like to just build the GM version, I would have mine just a little less lift though with 38.5's.

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    Well I did some measuring :) My rear axle is about 63/64" wide stock. I think I will keep that stock, but narrow the front to match it, which I believe is 69" stock. So i'd whack out 6" from one side. I think that full-width is better for stability, but FW is also too wide in my experience, so for me it's a tradeoff.

    There will be pix, trust me :)

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    realsquash 1/2 ton status

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    Personally, I don't like the idea of an S10 body on a Blazer chassis. I've seen way too many of them and they just don't work out like people think. The frames are so much taller on the FS ones that the body ends up sitting completely above the frame. That is why there are so many people running stock FS springs and 38's. The frame is still 1' off the ground! And if you look over an S10, you will notice the frame is boxed from right behind the cab all the way up to the front bumper. Starting with a pure S10 and adding the other parts IMHO is the best thing. And don't kid yourself about FS GM 73-91 frames, they are unbelievably weak.

    All is IMHO :)

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