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Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by TXsizeK5, Sep 6, 2003.

  1. TXsizeK5

    TXsizeK5 1/2 ton status

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    I am taking a directed studies class and our teacher wrote an article in the paper and recieved a few responses and we have to defend/attack his stance. Well I got defend, so I don't know what to do... here's his article, it's pretty well written, however I do not agree.

    "On the one hand, consider a man entrusted with the most responsible position in the most powerful nation on Earth who receives oral sex from a young female intern and commits lewd acts with bizarre sexual prop. On the other, consider a man in a similar position who, convinced of the justice and political advantage of his stance, presents as fact intelligence known by his advisers to be exaggerated and quite possibly false about the nuclear threat posed by a despised and ruthless adversary.
    The first lies to deflect moral censure that will sully his presidency. The second lies to gather support from his people and the world for an overwhlming armed invasion.
    The folly of the first leads to a stained dress, a notorious cigar, and the narrow and contested defeat of his heir apparent in a national election. The misinformation of the second leads to the deaths of nearly 300 American and British troops and untold numbers of Iraqis (many the intended recipients of liberation), billions of dolars in debt, an unconvinced world, and a military occupation with no successful-or even acceptable-end in sight.
    How will the scales of history balance these two lies and the liars who told them? How will the American electorate weigh them? The final judgement is, for reasons, that boggle the mind and shake the very foundations of democracy and common sense, not at all certain."
     
  2. Bubba Ray Boudreaux

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    You've got to defend THAT?????????????? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

    Let me see if I can shake the clouds which inhabit my heat exhausted brain and help ya out a little bit.

    The Office of the President of the United States of America is a position of such importance and trust that the person holding that office must be a person that is infallible.

    A person who would break the chains of trust in his marriage while occupying such a sacred office is a person who would lead his country astray. He is a man of no honor or integrity.

    Yet, while the President of the United States is the one ultimately responsible for all the decisions made, he unfortunately must rely on his fellow man for most of his information in making these decisions. It is not possible for the President to study each and every issue in detail that comes up. And as we all know, no man is a perfect man. Even the best has to rely on those who have ulterior motives or have not cleared their heart of their shortcomings.

    In the end, no fair comparision can be made between these two souls. The reason why is because one person acted out his fantasies with absolutely no input from his staff while the other made his decision while believing in his heart that those supplying him with information had good intentions.
     
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    hmm, professor isnt biased at all
     
  4. Can Can

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    How about this:

    The second has the balls to take on a man who is a murderer and a thief. He has the balls to reach into the heartland of a country that is ruled by a maniac and return said country to the people to whom it belongs, regardless of what a bunch of pussy nations have to say about it.

    The world has changed, and the rules of engagement have changed. In order to preserve peace, now more than ever the world has to stand up to tyrants and oppressors and take them out, even if some innocent lives are lost. If not, future generations will sadly look back on a time when their forefathers were able to live a life free of fear inside their own borders.

    Sorry, I can't find it within me to defend his position, even if it's only an exercise.
     
  5. Bubba Ray Boudreaux

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    If this is the way the professor actually thinks, and from what I hear, most professors are asshats; then this professor knows nothing of honor, integrity, freedom. All they know is what they hear on NPR everyday and if they truly want a position like this truly defended to it's highest, then they need to call a person who swims with swine on a daily basis, a lawyer.
     
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    I would imagine that the statement is directed to make the most of the exercise, therefore is extremist.

    I think the arguement you're looking for in your defense is the few vs. the many,

    Clinton hurt the few - that's your arguement. Only himself, his presidency and his family were stained. The American people weren't (apart from embarassment)

    Bush hurt many (Americans, Brits and Iraquis), spent millions, got people killed. In your defense you ignore the fact that he also protected the many, acted in a moral way and did everything he was supposed to do. That's how these assignments work, they make you think.

    And before anyone skimming jumps on me - I SIDE WITH BUSH, NOT WITH CLINTON

    The whole point of the exercise is to see whether you can put your personal feelings aside and find the arguements you need, regardless of your personal feelings. If you feel very strongly about this issue, I would attach a note to the professor giving her your personal views. If she sees that you can argue against your convictions, you may just impress her.

    Of course is she believes that drivel, you might not get any credit at all.
     
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    All I had to see was the Kurdish women and children who were killed in their steps by Madass Hussien and Chemical ALI!
    Hollywood would not even pay attention to the racial cleansing in Iraq, but they did when the Jews were slaughtered in Germany.
    WTF??????
    Prostitute yourself? Get the grade? And tell her what she wants to hear?
    Gorrilla.
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    The folly of the first leads to a stained dress, a notorious cigar, and the narrow and contested defeat of his heir apparent in a national election.

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    Ha ha, who cares about where the cigar went and what dress was stained with what, The impeachment issues were perjury, subornation of perjury, obstruction of Justice, and the concept of holding the chief law enforcement executive accountible to the law. While the Senate didn't find it to be politically expediant to convict the President, the court held him in contempt and he had to cut a deal, to avoid punishment. He has also been disbarred from being able to work as a lawyer in certain courts.

    As for president Bush, the war in Iraq was a right cause in my opinion.
     
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    Well, this is Texas A&M. The professor is most likely not a liberal. And like Chris T said, he most likely wrote this to promote thought and all that other good stuff. We aren't actaully turning anyhting it, just discussing in class... so maybe I'll pretend like I got the con assignment instead of pro.
     
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    But it's cheap thoughts at that.

    One really can't compare one guy doinking a whore with a cigar with one who goes off to war.

    If there was to be a real comparison made, it would be more along the lines of this.

    One man starts a "so-called" war with a nation using nothing but air power and sends a couple of cruise missiles into targets that do not exist and sends troops into regions that known nothing but war for thousands of years. This same man is also handed a world renowned terrorist on a silver platter, yet rejects it.

    The other man though, is thrust into a position requiring decisions due to terrorist attacks on his home soil. This man makes the ultimate decision to send men and women to far off lands, knowing that a lot of them will not come back, in an attempt to prevent further attacks on his homeland. This man puts himself into a position which he will receive a lot of criticism by people who are not thankful and nitpick each and every move, and blame the same man for problems which are of not his making.

    If that's your professor's idea of promoting thought, then maybe he/she should burn their degree and go off into the sunset and become the editorial writer for the Waxahachie Gazette.........
     
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    Hahaha


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    also handed a world renowned terrorist on a silver platter, yet rejects it

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    can you elaborate on this?
     
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    Rumor has it; heard it on the radio on read it on the 'Net that a couple of years ago, during Clinton's presidency, that Saudi Arabia IIRC was willing to turn Osama over to us, but Clinton said no.
     
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    I heard that too Bubba and so have many I know. Yet this guy has the gayoons to walk around insulting the president for what he is doing. Maybe if the was spending less time getting fellatio and more time on real issues we wouldn't be in such a mess. Maybe no 911? That guy really turned my stomach without those issues. I really wish the news corporations would bring it to light and discuss it more. Or at least maybe Fox news as the other stations seem to be on the bush sucks campaign anyway.
     
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    [ QUOTE ]
    The other man though, is thrust into a position requiring decisions due to terrorist attacks on his home soil. This man makes the ultimate decision to send men and women to far off lands, knowing that a lot of them will not come back, in an attempt to prevent further attacks on his homeland. This man puts himself into a position which he will receive a lot of criticism by people who are not thankful and nitpick each and every move, and blame the same man for problems which are of not his making.



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    Bubba, this is the insight that makes me wish I were you. You da Man!!
     
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    It's not that much of an insight really, just read your local editorial pages and read what the liberals have to say. I force myself to every time I have the paper, especially Molly Ivins and only God knows why I'm not locked up in a padded room right now cause I feel like banging my head against a concrete wall to rid myself of the pain.

    The liberal idealogy and the way they go about their way to get their point across is the most immature, idiotic, petty and downright fawked up method on the Planet Earth.

    Take this example I just made up, but it will pertain to 99% of all discussions that have took place...........

    Conservative: So while the state government has wasted $99 million dollars on the XXXX program, 98% of that money went to waste by hiring a CEO with a criminal record for fraudelent business practices and that CEO has used the taxpayers' money to buy himself a new mansion.

    Liberal: FOR THE KIDS!!! CONSERVATIVES ARE EVIL!!!! TAX THE RICH!!!! MAKE THE TAXPAYER PAY FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!!! CONSERVATIVES ARE MEAN!!!!!!!!!

    Very simple. The only way a liberal can win a debate on anything is because they only use personal attacks, misdirect the topic in an attempt to frustrate the conservative they are talking to.

    The liberal agenda has been 6 feet under before it was even born (from socialist/Marxist ideas) and they only get votes cause they scare people who are mindless and can't think or do the research on their own.
     
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    Have you ever read any Ayn Rand? Good stuff /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     
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    Have you ever read any Ayn Rand? Good stuff /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

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    Nope, sure haven't. Have to check it out.
     

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