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Ok Stephen, now that i have seen the TTC vid...

Discussion in 'OffRoad Design' started by zakk, Dec 7, 2001.

  1. zakk

    zakk 1/2 ton status

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    a couple of questions please[​IMG]

    What size are the beadlocks? i noticed you stuck with the 16.5's were you able to get the air really low or did they limit you like the Dozer truck?

    Did you fab the sliders?

    What sections did you use the 4:1?

    thanks!
    you made the mini-rubicon look like a curb[​IMG]

    -zakk

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    Stephen 1/2 ton status Moderator Vendor

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    Wheels are 16.5 x 9.75, about 5" backspacing. I've had them down to 5.5 psi in snow, 7-8psi in rocks, no problems and as the tires break in I probably won't run them that low. I'm not a huge fan of super low pressures, you loose too much steering and clearance. Last year at TTC we ran the bummer in the rocks at about 3.5 psi and it never slipped but steered like crap and lost valuable clearance. This year I ran mine at 11 psi and was pretty happy. Lower might have helped on the one rock I slipped on, but the height cleared all the rest so overall I think it was the best choice.

    We fabbed everything on the truck at one point or another. Most of the tube work has been done for several years now.

    We used 4:1 in:
    tank trap
    mini rubi
    hill climb
    tow test
    2:1 in:
    logs
    mud pit
    obstacle course

    Judging from the video the motor had the beans to keep the tires going in the mud in 2:1 gear, just launched a little hard and lost my line. I wasn't quite used to having twice the power I had before and about twice the tire to put it down.

    I'm kind of proud of the mini rubi run, that was pretty shiny! I had a real hard time keeping calm when we went past the hardest part about 1/3 of the way through, but since it never really changed speed much it's hard to tell.

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    That run was sweet. Msquared and Mrs. Zakk agree that it was the best part that "Top Tit Challege" showed. we fast forwarded past the blonde when we saw her...it got painul...
    I am looking or 16.5 beadlocks and TR is the only one that makes some. A guy A Eaton said 16.5 beadlocks were a myth. thanks for the info.

    -zakk

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    Zakk,

    Have you already heard about the "internal beadlocks" for 16.5" Wheels? If you want a D.O.T.-Approved solution, there is one out there. The company is called TireLoc....It's a cool inner beadlock utilizing this trippy-looking tube that hold the bead against the wheel....there is a second valve stem to set the pressure of the beadlock, and you can still "air down" your tires like nomal without affecting the beadlock.

    It's what I eventually will want when I do my 1-Ton Conversion and add 16.5" Wheels.



    -Greg72

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    Jesse (tow guy out @ holister) has tractor tubes in his 44's. It is sounding like i am gonna need 1 off road set and another pavement set...got a link for those items you described?
    also, i might be able to get the flow's this week, i will keep you posted.
    thanks![​IMG]

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    Greg72 "Might As Well..." Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Check here:

    <a target="_blank" href=http://www.tireloc.com/>http://www.tireloc.com/</a>

    It's a cool system, and you wouldn't neet an offroad set of wheels and tires.....they're 100% street legal.

    Or maybe you just don't wanna run Boggers on the street?

    Lemme know on the muffs....there here whenever you're ready.



    -Greg72

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    I originally planned on a set of the tire-locs but supply problems held them up and they fell through at the last minute. Trail ready came up with the prototype set of 16.5's in a week and bailed me out.
    Tireloc availability is poor, I think that's the only problem with the. I even had the nice aluminum wheels ready to go, boo hoo.

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    Do you anyone who does run them? sounds to me that there is still a chance of the tiare coming off the rim, just now the air won't escape.

    -zakk

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    Zakk,

    Actually the thing with the tirelocs is that the innertube does not expand to fill the entire area inside the tire. It only expands to create pressure (I think 30 psi is recommended) against the "bead" area from the inside.....from that perspective, the tire is only as likely to lose a bead with this system....as you would by pumping up the whole tire to 30 psi!!!! The nice part is that the bead stay pressed tight to the rim, and the rest of the tire (when aired down) can deform and follow the contours of rocks or whatever.

    The engineering design seems 'solid' to me.....I think it's like SW said though....they don't seem to have good supply channels here in the U.S. .....so they are just not seen that often on trucks around here.

    Still, I'd like to own a set....even if I had to wait a while!! [​IMG]



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    Titanic, a member from this board, runs the tireloc system. He has 16.5" wheels with 44" meats on his burb. I wheeled with him at Tellico this past Oct. and he really loves his Tireloc system. PM him if you want more details. Great guy!
    With that said, I almost went with the Tireloc system, but like Stephen said, availability was an issue, and also, I priced everything out and went with 16.5" beadlocks from Aggressive Offroad instead.
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    what do the TireLoc systems cost? i saw price in SEK? oe something like that...

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    Figure $200 a wheel......so that's a grand if you put one in your "spare" also.

    I don't think that's too different from pricing of a beadlock wheel with both "inner" and "outer" beadlocks....PLUS it's legal to drive on the street, unlike a conventional beadlock solution.



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    Greg is right, it's $200 per wheel for the 16.5x10" version. But if you don't have wheels, then it can be another $60 or so per wheel........, multiply that by 5 and add to tirelock cost, then beadlocks wins.
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    i still do not see how it works...i need to call them. If i can use the wheels i have AND there is no ill effects of running the system on the road, it is worth it. i am just skeptical.

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    Zakk,

    How's your Swedish....? [​IMG]

    Seriously, it might cost you more for the international phone call than it would to buy the beadlocks. I think the company actually IS located in Sweden.....they have a US distributor....perhaps they speak English?

    [​IMG]



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    This is how it works, or atleast how it was explained to me by Titanic. All it is a tube that goes inside the wheel. You drill a hole for valve stem for the tirelock tub. air that up to say 30psi or so. What that does, is it presses against the bead forcing it to be pressed up against the wheel lip, hence "lock". it presses both the inner and outer bead against the wheel lip so you "don't" lose a bead. On the street, there is no problems b/c it's just basically like driving normal. You should PM "Titanic" and get the low down from him, since he is actually running it and have been for the past 4 years + or so.
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    The only thing the beadlock wins in is avaiability.

    When it comes to pricing these. The only way to go is the tirelocs! Let's think about this. $300 for a 16.5x10 wheel that only has the outer beadlock not DOT approved OR $100 for a 16.5x10 wheel PLUS $200 for a tirelock that locks both inner and outer beads and is DOT approved. ADDS up to about $300 either way, at least by my math.

    ALSO the tireloc doubles as a run-flat system. If you tear your sidewall, you can still drive it out of the trail. Thus meaning you only need 4!!! you don't need the extra beadlocked wheel. You drive back to camp or to a place where you can take the extra tire you carry and replace the torn one. Try and mount a 16.5 with only one beadlock on the trail.....good luck. You could always buy a quick air, but then you're talking way more than a set of tirelocs.

    When you're holding up the group of vehicles behind you, I'll be a camp getting drunk with the $300 I saved. : )

    One more thing, if you bend a crack one of the beadlocks...OUCH there goes another $300! With the tireloc, another $100 for the new wheel and maybe a tractor innertube to replace the one used by the tireloc.

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    Huh?? Who makes $300 beadlock wheels?? I got mine for like $200, everything included. 16x9.75, 4" backspace and 40bolts per ring.

    I agree with the Tirelok as being great....I don't doubt that at all. I've seen it first hand in action. Just, when I weighed everything out at the time, my beadlocks came in cheaper by a lot.

    You're right, they can serve as a run flat system, but they them self don't even recommend that. Imagine if you did tear a tire and used it as a run flat for a while and then tore their inner tube......another $200 down the drain. Plus, I always like to carry my spare with me to the trail and out, not leave it at camp, but that's just me.
    Another thing is if I bend or break a ring (1/2" thick aluminum at thickest point, 1/4" thick at thinnest point (hard to explain))(also, bolts are countersunk), then I get it replaced FREE [​IMG]. Personally, I don't think I can damage these beadlock wheels, they're super beefy....but if I do, Free replacement.
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    who did you go through? Rockcrawler now has a beadlock system they are selling. I am too poor to afford 1 set of trail and 1 set of street tires. I like the idea of the Tubes but what if one of them goes? i will have to research this carefully. i cannot afford another 1k for rims each time something comes up...

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    Actually, if you tore the Kevlar bag (which I doubt you could), you can just have it repaired. Which it probably wouldn't even need. This thing is tough!

    I was told they were about $300. Oh...$200 was for the 9.75 wide. I think the 12" wide were more. At $200, you'd still have to buy 5, right? For the Tireloc, the Kevlar bag that surrounds the innertube is practically indestructable (same material the police use for bullet proof vests). The innertube is a tractor tube that can be bought at any farm tire supply store.

    My friend is running 4 psi with his tirelocs and says it rocks! His set ran with shipping about $860. His wheels were $60 each. That's $1100 total and that was for 12" wide 16.5s and the 12-14" wide tirelocs. What psi do you normally run? I currently run 20 psi in non-beadlocked 16.5 wheels.

    I was down at his house last month and looked at the quality of these things. They are awesome. He runs 26 psi in the tireloc and 4 psi in the tires. He has checked it over the last month and has had no leakage. I've heard that the beadlocks have a tendancy to leak. Have you had any problems with leaking?

    Also, for an apples to apples price comparison, you'd need to price beadlocking both sides of your wheels, if that's even possible. You'd also have to price the 12" beadlocked wheel.

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