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OR vs. WA, lets hear it.

Discussion in 'Pacific Region' started by BlazerFarm, Sep 21, 2003.

  1. BlazerFarm

    BlazerFarm Texagonian Premium Member

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    Ok, just wondering what some opinions are here. I live in Everett, WA but am about to have to relocate to Tigard, OR at my company. So I was wondering, what are some of the differences between Portland and Seattle or WA and OR. I didn't grow up here but have lived in the Seattle area for about 6 years having moved up here from Texas. I know that most people that use this NW CK5 list live in either WA or OR. Is OR basically the same as WA except that they have an income tax? Is that tax a big chunk of your income? Are wheeling areas more open in OR? I know that up here in WA they are closing the areas down all the time. I think traffic would be worse in Seattle than in Portland.

    Just wondering. I don't want to start any flame wars or anything. I just don't have much exposure to OR or the Portland area. I see that the people on this list are quite knowledgeable and seem to have a lot of fun together.

    Well, thanks for any info. I have to make a decision pretty soon whether to take a severance and look for another job or to transfer to OR. I definitely don't want to be out of a job so it would probably be OR afterall. Just want to see what you guys' opinions about the two areas are.

    Thanks again,
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  2. jekbrown

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    what are some of the differences between Portland and Seattle or WA and OR.

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    Ive lived in vancouver, WA for over 20 years... portland for 2 and I've visited Seattle a few times. Frankly, other than seattle obviously being bigger I dont see much of a difference between portland and seattle. Neither one is all that great imo... but maybe thats just cause I don't like left-wing infested masses of population. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif My opinions on the differences between OR and WA are pretty much the same. Inside the big cities, they both suck... but thankfully both have all kinds of great stuff to do out in the sticks. Its just my opinion, but for me its a heck of a lot better to live outside the big city than it is living inside one.

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    Is OR basically the same as WA except that they have an income tax? Is that tax a big chunk of your income?

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    yeah, oregon taxes are pretty heinous, especially the income tax. The state doesnt have a sales tax, but it has plenty of other taxes with more coming all the time. Left wingers in portland/salem pretty much run state elections, which doesnt help. Not that WA is any better with Seattle. My parents would actually prefer to live in OR but refuse to live there because of the excessive taxes. I think the best deal is to live on the boarder, like I do in vancouver. Then you dodge that crap income tax (unless your employer is in portland) and if you want to buy a high dollar item, you just go across the river into OR and dodge the sales tax too. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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    Are wheeling areas more open in OR? I know that up here in WA they are closing the areas down all the time.

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    every once in a while i hear about a closure on the OBH club mailing list... but they dont seem to close tooooo often in OR. TSF and Sandlake are still open, and between those 2 there is quite a bit to do. They are kinda nice because they're not all that far from the portland area at all. Booze is off limits in sandlake these days from what I hear... but then i never drink when i go on a wheelin trip anyway... and really I'd prefer no one else to drink there either so its all good. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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    I think traffic would be worse in Seattle than in Portland.

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    dont know seattle's traffic well enough to be sure, but you're prolly right.

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    Just wondering. I don't want to start any flame wars or anything. I just don't have much exposure to OR or the Portland area.

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    i hear ya. IMO both are pretty dang good states to live in, especially if you're not right downtown in one of the big citys. Your employer is in OR, so you're gonna get hit with the income tax no matter where you live. Hope you're not on a tight budget already, toss in that nasty income tax and you'll be eating roman noodles for dinner 4 days a week. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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  3. kennyw

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    Oregon Bushhackers Might want to sign up to the group email list if you are moving down there. Great source for info and plenty of people to wheel with.
     
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    The weather is more extreme in the Portland area. If it is hot here, it is really hot in Portland. Portland still has a bit of a small town feel to me, but they are starting to have some growing pains. It is nice and close to the mountains, gorge & the coast and there is year-round skiing at Government camp on Mt. Hood.

    They also have more strip-bars per-capita than any other city in the US (that's my understanding anyway). I heard that there is something like 135 stripclubs in the Portland city limits alone. It is because they have loose anti-obscenity laws. It is often nick named Pornland.
     
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    I have heard that tax wise it pretty much works out the same... /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
     
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    I have worked and lived in both Oregon and Washington and have been struggling just the same in both places. Doesnt matter how much you make it all seems to get spent faster than I can make it somehow /forums/images/graemlins/1zhelp.gif

    But on a serious note, I have calculated the taxes out for myself in both states (renting so property tax was not included) and it came out close to even by the time you add in all the vehicle related , income or sales taxes.

    But if you can work & live in WA and drive into OR and buy your big ticket items you save a lot on sales tax /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     
  7. jekbrown

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    or and wa taxes the same? wha? sales-tax aside, are there any taxes in OR that are lower than WA? My parents make pretty good money... and they avoid living in OR like the plague. I dunno what the exact income tax rate is, but it must be pretty poopy in the upper-middle-class income range.

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    8% sales tax is pretty high, OR doesnt have a sales tax. In OR the income tax is progressive. Starts out at 4 or 5% for the first $5K/yr and ends around 9% by the time you pass $20K or so. I think I averaged 7.5-8% on income tax at $40K/yr. Now that is on your whole check compared to paying 8% sales tax on only 1/2 of your income (what I would actually spend in a store).

    Vehicles taxes are much cheaper at $30 for two year tags, but WA has recently come down to an average 60-70/yr on trucks. Gas is some how cheaper (on average) even though it is full service.

    Over all WA state is slightly cheaper if you work in WA. OR somehow thinks it has the right to charge income tax to WA residents that earn money in OR because they dont pay an income tax already /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

    I have found that living in OR and working in WA state is really a cheap way to go however /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
     
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    anyone know what the OR income tax rate is when ur making $50k+? Like I was saying b4, I think the best way to go is to live in WA...work in WA.. and go buy ur big ticket items right across the river in portland. I like Janzten beach for this... its very close and there are several electronics stores, toy stores, furniture places, home depot, boat supply place etc etc... pretty much all you need when it comes to "big ticket" items. No state income tax + dodging state sales tax = good times. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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    Sales tax in the Seattle area is 8.9%. Of course, your only taxed on what you spend, not what you make. My parents live in Oregon & I live in Washington. The housing market is out of hand in the Seattle area. Starter homes are upwords of $240,000. The same house in Portland is closer to the $180,000 (or less) range. A 1200 square foot rambler just sold around the corner from me for over $240K - and it needed some help.

    I know several people who have worked & lived in Vancouver, WA and crossed the river to do their shopping.

    Oregon also has one of the highest minimum wages in the nation. Maybe that is why the sales & property taxes are so high. /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif
     
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    Oregon also has one of the highest minimum wages in the nation. Maybe that is why the sales & property taxes are so high

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    /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif OR doesnt have a sales tax.
     
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    jekbrown I am CK5 Premium Member GMOTM Winner Author

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    think he meant "income"...

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    WA has recently come down to an average 60-70/yr on trucks

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    I only paid $30 to liscence my /forums/images/graemlins/k5.gif. I think the vehicle fees will stay pretty low. The only big ticket item that still nails you is buying a car. They nail you on sales tax no matter what state you buy it in. /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif

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    OR somehow thinks it has the right to charge income tax to WA residents that earn money in OR because they dont pay an income tax already


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    I was under the impression that WA residents got SOME (not all) of that money back?? I don't know for sure. I DO know that if you work in WA and live in OR you still pay the state income tax. OR has made that one pretty hard to get around no matter where you live. That's why I moved over here.

    All in all, I have found it to be MUCH cheaper to live here than Oregon. Also, Portland has some of the crappiest schools in the nation. Look it up on line. Portland is tanking fast when it comes to teachers and education. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
     
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    jekbrown I am CK5 Premium Member GMOTM Winner Author

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    portland is tanking in a lot of ways. IMO any1 who actually opens a small business in portland is completely insane. If you ever listen to the horror stories on local talk radio shows, or you own a small biz there, Im sure ya know what I mean. Ungodly amounts of regulation, fees, taxes and layer after layer of government doing little more than harassing people trying to run their business and make a profit. Vera Katz pretty much sux and has definitely been at the forefront of creating the gaggle-[darn] that city is gonna become.

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    OR doesnt have a sales tax

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    They keep trying to pass one though. Kinda like WA with the state income tax.

    All in all, I know taxes are necessary, but I can't help from b*tching about it every now and then. When I get real PO'd about it I remember time that I have spent in other countries and the conditions most people live in. Then I am happy to come home and help pay for good roads, clean water, public schools, cops, and the military folks that keep our freedom going for us! /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     
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    Vera Katz pretty much sux and gags a lot...now look at what that city has become.


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    BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif That's what you really meant, right?? /forums/images/graemlins/ignore.gif /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     
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    dude thats just wrong! no man should ever have to visualize any kind of sexual imagery that includes vera katz, even for a second.

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    good grief shes nasty!!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

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    That would scare you out of any state! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

    Thanks everyone for the comments though. I'll know something one way or the other in a few weeks.
     
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    anyone know what the OR income tax rate is when ur making $50k+?

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    7.5% That was for 2000. Made 47,000,income tax took 3,600. I got a $975 return that year from Oregon.
    47k not quite 50 but close enough.
     
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    no man should ever have to visualize any kind of sexual imagery that includes vera katz

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    After looking at that pic, I think I made myself ill....[puking up a lung] /forums/images/graemlins/ignore.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/1zhelp.gif
     

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