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P/U Tailgate swap, 90% done **With Pics**

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by nofeartruckin00, Oct 1, 2002.

  1. nofeartruckin00

    nofeartruckin00 1/2 ton status

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    Swapping tailgates is almost done! The truck tailgate is on, the plexi window is in, and it all closes up. All that is left to do is figure out how to be able to lock the tailgate <img src="/forums/images/icons/confused.gif" alt="" /> , sealing out a small leak in each corner, and figuring out a system to hold the window up while the tailgate is dropped. Right now the window just sits on the ledge of the gate. I know someone was going to be making a window system for their tailgate swap, so pics will be up soon <img src="/forums/images/icons/grin.gif" alt="" /> I'm looking for ideas of how to lock the new tailgate. There are a few companies that make a "Pop-Lock" that slides under the handle so it can't be opened, but none of the companies make them for the '88 - older style gates. I am considering using the locking latch deals that are usually found on pick-up cap rear glass to lock it shut. Any ideas are much appreciated <img src="/forums/images/icons/grin.gif" alt="" />
     
  2. Re: P/U Tailgate swap, 90% done

    I'm assuming you have a first gen. /forums/images/icons/confused.gif What you can use are a couple of those cheap locks that they use on furniture (the bracket on the rear rotates). Mount one on each side so the bracket locks against the upper part of the tailgate. You can pick them up at most hardware stores. As far as holding it up use lift shocks, the same kind that you see on new SUVs.
     
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    Re: P/U Tailgate swap, 90% done

    What are the benefits of using the tailgate?
     
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    Re: P/U Tailgate swap, 90% done

    Lighter weight and easier to find. I'll have one on my truck over the winter. I'm also running a softop so I don't have to worry about a window. Those full electric power window tailgates are heavy mothers, they aren't bad when the guts are out. If I could find one like that, that was still in decent shape, I might use it.
     
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    Re: P/U Tailgate swap, 90% done

    I just put a soft top on mine and was thinking about the tailgate swap also. Was wondering how the seals worked out and stuff. I took everything out of the gate, window and all of the guts and it lightened it up quite a bit. But it would be easier to take off the gate for wheeling in the good weather.
     
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    Re: P/U Tailgate swap, 90% done

    looks like a '91 to me.
     
  7. nofeartruckin00

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    Re: P/U Tailgate swap, 90% done

    Weight is one major factor. I use my tailgate quite often, and puting down the window, dropping the gate, and closing it all back up is a pain after a while. My window was non-fuctioning as of a month or so ago, so it was decision time. I figure with the truck tailgate, it will be a snap to get in and out of the back, instead or wresting with that pig of a tailgate. I'm still working on the seal part of it. I tried using the seal off the K5 tailgate, and glueing that to the mating surface on the body, but there doesn't seem to be enough flat metal to glue it to. I ran out of time last night (rain rain rain.....), so i will do some more work tonight.
     
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    Re: P/U Tailgate swap, 90% done

    Didn't think about hardware locks. I'm not quite sure about the kind you are talking about, but i have a rough idea. As far as holding up the window goes, i wouldn't be able to use those lift shocks, since the window is still sliding in the cap between the seals. I would have to make some kind of quick disconnect at the lift, not sure if that would work. That does give me another idea though /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

    BTW, yeah its a '91
     
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    Re: P/U Tailgate swap, 90% done

    i got to see some pics of how you sealed it..cause the stock k5 gates have the seal around that speacial contour that matches the back of the k5....i have the same problem for my rear window..and what im doing..like backyardbiult had..is using a truck cap rear window, with some insulation and a lock..i think it will be sweet then im just going to use my new rust free gate..that i got for 75 bucks along with the blazer /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif with it with out all that crap in it...should make things a lot more simpler..and wont have to worry about smashing my rear glass either! i just got to find a way to get that lock/lever for the gate in..tricky to put in at a angle like that..ill take pics when i get it done..wont be done till i get my new rear floor and tailpan in...
     
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    Re: P/U Tailgate swap, 90% done

    With the cap glass, are you having it slide up into the k5 top, or bolting in on the outside and having it hinge up and down like the pick up cap does?
     
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    Re: P/U Tailgate swap, 90% done

    My pickup tailgate is in too. I put the hardtop on last week and it fits good. For a window, I used the stock Blazer glass from the orig tailgate. It slides in perfectly. To hold it up, I screwed a piece of metal strapping to the hardtop on each side that bends around under the glass. I havent put in a seal yet... but was contemplatin just using a chunk of rubber matting screwed to the top of the gate that lays on the glass. Beats me...

    I went wheeling last Sunday, and the glass is still there so it must work. All I do to remove the glass is open the gate, slide the strap pieces to the side and the glass slips down. I dont have pics yet, but will snap some tonite and try to get em developed this weekend. For a lock... I dont worry about it, but why couldnt you use one of those basic hasp types, with the loop that the hasp goes over, then slip a padlock type onto it. Thats my plan if and when I decide to lock it.

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    Re: P/U Tailgate swap, 90% done

    I was going to use the original glass at first, but it seemed to heavy, so i just used plexiglass. At the bottom of the plexiglass, i put a long L bracket, so it covers the top of the tailgate, stopping rain from getting in. Screwing the rubber to the tailgate itself would probably work just as good.

    To hold the window up, i fabbed up a bracket that bolts on to the bedside where the old K5 tailgate used to latch on the top. It bends inward, then i bolted a piece of metal under each L to swing back and forth. Drop the tailgate, swing the latches in, and the window drops out. I also put a little handle on the window to help hold it up as i flip the latches. I took plenty of pics tonight, I'll try to get them developed and scanned tomorrow.

    With the new tailgate system, i can go from /forums/images/graemlins/k5.gif to /forums/images/graemlins/truck.gif in half the time /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

    I don't worry about locking the rear that much, just figured it would be nice to have if i have to head downtown for work or hockey games. I think I'll use your idea for the padlock. May look a little butch, but hey, what on my truck doesn't /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
     
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    Re: P/U Tailgate swap, 90% done

    i think it looks cool. im curious, id like more close up shots if its not to much trouble. how do you push up the window and hold it in place ? i dont quite understand your window bottom brace either. what did you use for the channel that the window sits in ? i have a custom back window made out of an old tonneau cover. i have convertible clear plastic window material sewed into it. it snaps on and around. it rolls up like a jeep's or is completely removeable and plus the "glass" has a two-way ripper. it doesnt leak for the most part and looks cool, but id still rather go with what you have possibley. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif its not clear from the photos, but did you rig up a handle for the window ? thanks.
     
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    Re: P/U Tailgate swap, 90% done

    Thanks for the compliments! The brace at the bottom could be made out of any L-bracket, but i made my out of ............... the running boards that came off the jimmy /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif . One side of the L is glued and bolted to the outside of the window, and the bottom side of the L is just high enough for the tailgate to fit underneath it.

    For the window to work, all i do is push it up into the cap by hand, hold it up with the handle i bolted in the middle, then swing those little latches under the window. All the latch does is hold up the window so i can drop the tailgate.

    There are a few close-ups of the latch system in my webshots link in my sig. If you need any other pics, let me know exactly what area you are looking for, and i can snap ya some more pics this week. I dont have a digital camera, so it may take a few days to get them developed and posted here /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
     
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    Re: P/U Tailgate swap, 90% done

    This pic is with the window out of the cap, may be what your looking for.

    Window out of cap
     
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    Re: P/U Tailgate swap, 90% done

    That really is a good idea. You did a great job. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif When mine takes a dump I'll be looking to do the same. I've decided to work with the body I've got for now and the whole hinge area is pretty well rusted out. I know there's a tech article about repairing that, so add that to the list of things to do before winter really gets here!
     
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    Re: P/U Tailgate swap, 90% done

    that article kinda sux becuase it only tells you how to tear everything apart...not how to really fix it!
     
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    Re: P/U Tailgate swap, 90% done

    I was thinking of paying a visit to my favorite steel fabricator guy. He's 1/2 hour away but did a nice job on my floor. I don't think my hubby wants to deal with it. I keep him busy enough the way it is /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
     
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    Re: P/U Tailgate swap, 90% done

    Thanks! My area is alitte more rusted out than i thought. It looks like i ripped one of the cage nuts out of the body already. After i finish up the body lift, i'll have to graft some new sheet metal in there. I tried to just attack it with the welder and spot weld up the holes, but there seems to be very little actual metal left. Oh well, im sure the salt from this up coming winter will take care of the rest of it. /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
     

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