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Please define Leftwing-Rightwing Politics, not trying to start a war hear

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by TexasBlazerBoy, Apr 5, 2007.

  1. TexasBlazerBoy

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    I have always heard these labels used on certain people/politicians/groups.

    Left wing =?
    Right wing =?

    In which category would you classify yourself? NOT TRYING TO START A WAR THREAD......

    Just want to know the Brotherhoods opinion. It seams we have "some" highly political, opininated(sp?) people on CK5.
     
  2. chalet2506

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    Let's see - draw a line and choose sides. Don't see why you think it might turn into a war thread.

    I generally consider myself right wing, but I've got some liberal tendencies.
     
  3. pauly383

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    I work everday , I ask for no help , so I have no use for a liberal . Also believe in less government , less gun control , less taxes for everyone , lowering restrictions on business so it stays in the country , baseball , hot dogs , apple pie , and Chevrolet .

    Other than not liking the local Sherriff who is a politician , and who wastes our money and commits crimes covering it up , I would call myself right wing .

    Oh , and also believe in personal responsibilty , no suing McDonalds for spilled coffee , you knew it was hot when you ordered it , dumbass .

    I still get to look at nekkid wimmens online , listen to whatever music I like , and do some other things , and remain in the right .
     
  4. Corey 78K5

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    First off the way they got their name is pretty simple. In the House of Representatives the seats in which the Representatives sit in are arranged so the the Democrats sit on the left and the Republicans sit on the right. Independents sit in the middle since they are supposed to be "on the fence". This is where you get the terms Left Wingers and Right Wingers.

    Now Democrats or Left Wingers if you will believe in government control of things like health care and gun control. Pretty much they like to impose the Constitution how they see fit not how it was written.

    Republicans or Right Wingers do not believe that government should provide health care or impose gun control and that the people control the Constitution.

    Now I could go on and on but this is just some basics. Do some research and educate yourself that way when you do enter the voters both you can make a decision based on what you believe in..............
     
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    [​IMG] "Aw-right you maggots! This is Code RED! Scamble! Move-it, move-it!"

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    [​IMG] "Sarge, troops ready to deploy!"

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    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] "Get your hands up! Your completely surrounded!"


    [​IMG] [​IMG] " Hey Guys, we need to raise taxes, have paint and weed day
    And make this a happier, healthier place that would discourage such behavior."


    [​IMG] "Son, lemme explain something to you. It took over 6 years to get back what you democrats took from us to defend this nation properly. Now if you don't mind, please kindly remove yourself from our exercise field before we need to raise taxes, have a paint and weed day and plant flowers over your sorry *&%%#@.
     
  6. Resurrection_Joe

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    Claiming membership on either side of a political system where each party has strict set of predifined positions on a plethora of issues seems silly to me.

    Me? I'm a per issue man.
     
  7. jekbrown

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    the left/right political spectrum is a pretty crap one. Who ever invented it was trying to simplify politics and failed miserably. Essentially, if you go all the way to the left... you are a communist (state owns EVERYTHING, everyone is paid the same etc)... if you go all the way to the right you are a fascist (the illusion of private ownership, but the state controls everything via regulation). Both are dictatorships and mean a crappy life for the poor souls living in them.

    In the current US political climate, people like Gore, Kushinich (sp?), Pelosi and Kerry are "left wing". In short, they want lots of social programs (government-controlled healthcare, retirement etc etc). Conservatives are your "right wing" people... they tend to want less government. They believe that governments set the rules... but don't play in the game themselves. Left wingers also tend to love the 1st ammendment and hate the rest of the bill of rights.

    In any case, waters are further muddied when one looks outside our boarders. For example, a politician in Russia who wants to turn back the clock to the Soviet Union days is called a "conservative" over there... and they describe people like that on CNN the same way... even though the guy is advocating communist/leftwing politics.

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    Ditto what Corey said, and Manny illustrated..

    as an aside, regarding the voting public, I don't believe anyone is "independent" or "moderate" when it comes to politics.. the party ideologies are so different, I don't see how one can pick and choose from what they have to offer and come up with a cohesive philosophy.. if you are making it work for you, let me know how you reconcile everything..

    I think better terms than moderate and independent are " active " and "passive".. we active guys like to debate, pick sides, and yell..

    the passive ones fall into some sub - categories IMHO..they either hate all politicains and won't involve themselves, or they're the kind of people who don't want to pay attention enough to know that the left and right really are different..or they just wish the two sides would stop bickering so much and work together..which is a nice sentiment, but again, the ideologies are so different, and so much power is at stake, that won't happen..

    I guess there's lots of defenitions as to what makes a politician a "moderate", but currently the word seems to be code for " I'll bend over for the democrats so they like me" , which is dangerous and not real leadership..

    since we're defining left and right, how 'bout the independents and moderates weigh in too?
     
  9. CDA 455

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    My mentor Rush Limbaugh mentioned one day on his talk show aboot how a Hall of Fame football player described the difference.

    The player said, "A Republican says, 'If I can do it, so can you'. A Democrat says, 'You can't do it withoot my help'".

    That was so to-the-point that I remembered it after all these years and still use it as a one-sentenced definition.
     
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    Actually IMO you are wrong in your view of Left and Right

    The extreme left is Fascism. Hitler was a good Lefty. Government controlled life and death. Communism is a little left of the middle.
    Socialism is the Utopia of most leftys. Cradle to Death Government care and total influence in your life.

    The extreme right is Anarchy. No government. Everyone does what they want to..... No control.
    Conservative Republicans don't believe in a Controlling central government except for Defense, Commerce, Transportation. and its other duties provided in the Constitution.
    Everything should be handled at a state local level.Ex: Abortion, Gun control. There would be no National Laws to outlaw or legalize either. It would be a state by state decision. Federal Taxes would low. Other Taxes would be handled at a state and local level as to needs or the amount of help the local population wants to provide. Ex: Welfare, Free health care, ETC,
     
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    Fascism is extreme RIGHT side. Socialism is extreme left...as far as I understood it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

    Anarchists are to their own. They don't side with either because in their mind, there is NO government.
     
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    yes, anarchists are completely off the spectrum... its a spectrum showing political ideology and anarchists don't believe in anything political.

    Hitler was certainly right wing. Nothing to feel bad about if you are conservative and are thinking about guilt by association. Left wing dictators have killed well over 100,000,000 people... WAY more than right wing ones have. ;)

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    Hell, I can think of one off the top of my head:

    Stalin starved to death approx. 20,000,000 of his own people because they didn't like him. And that was not during a war!

    THAT'S ONLY ONE DICTATOR!
     
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    Another approach to studying the differences is to look at how the sides embrace absolutism vs. relativism. The framers of the Constitution were actively precluding relativism when they authored our construction documents, in other words framing safeguards against your life being controlled by who is King at the moment.
    As mentioned earlier, no fabric results in chaos, which the framers understood very well.
    The challenge to the framers was to build a Government that will withstand generations (representation by executive, legislative & judicial) while at the same time be totally dependent upon those same generations (individual responsibility). So the Constituion and the Bill of Rights laid-out the processes.
    To make them timeless, they had to be absolute. In all their writings, the framers made it clear, for the ultimate embodiment of the absolute, see Christianity.
    Edit; So in these times, absolutism resides with the Right, relativism resides with the wrong. Oops, I meant the Left.:wink1:
     
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    It depends on whom you ask, because no one really knows for sure... but Solzhenitsyn claimed 45-55 million were killed in Soviet gulags. Russia actually has an office in its current government who investigates the Soviet era attrocities and even they admit that at least 37 million were killed.

    Mao is generally considered to have killed 55-70 million people. Throw in Pol Pot, various south/central american communists, eastern Europe Iron-curtain era dictators etc and you have a whole LOT of dead bodies.

    The media likes to portray Hitler as the most evil bastage who ever lived... but IMO that is racist commentary. The only way you can conclude that is to consider European/Jewish lives to be worth more than Chinese ones. There is absolutely no question that Mao killed more people than Hitler... a LOT more. Both of them were evil ****ers who needed to die, of course.... so don't conclude that I am some sort of Hitler disciple or anything... just trying to tie everything back in to the original topic of the thread and demonstrate media anti-right bias.

    The media, since the fall of the Soviet Union, has tried to propagate the myth that the Soviets "really weren't that bad" etc. We were just the two biggest kids on the block etc. They were shocked and dismayed when Reagan (rightly!) called the USSR an evil empire. Morons. Read The Gulag Archipelego from cover to cover and you will know the real Soviet Union... which was not 1" lower on the evil-o-meter than Hitlers Germany... but its reign lasted 70+ years.

    j
     
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    I believe in friendship and honor, watching your buddies backside.

    I support gun rights - simple as that.

    I support affordable health care but not a government managed or funded health system. I think medical care is far too expensive, if the average hard working honest man can't afford a doctor visit and supplemental care then there's a problem that needs fixing.

    I don't believe in welfare or section 8 government assistance. I've always supported myself and family through poverty and plenty. It can be done if you have the will. At the same time we should support the Church and other charities that strive to help people down on their luck. I think there are alternatives to welfare which is a heavily abused system.

    Education needs to be revamped. They don't teach enough practical application in public school.

    I believe in freedom of religion even though I may not share your individual viewpoint or beliefs.

    I don't think drugs should be legalized. However if someone needs medical marijuana for pain & suffering and can prove it legally, I have no problem with that.

    I believe in war but I think common sense should apply.

    I believe in the Constitution as written.

    I don't believe patriotism means blindly following the President or a political party. I'm sick of the current political hate filled diatribe. I despise political extremists because they accomplish absolutely nothing. Reasonable, honorable men can have the polar opposite viewpoint and still manage to move forward to reach an agreement if they truly desire. Most people would rather fight just for the sake of being right or pleasing themselves instead of striving for a real solution. I have been a member of both political parties. Having grown up in a hardcore Nixonian family and Joined the Clintonites 1st term in my youth. I have both extremes in my own family. One thing I learned is that both political extremes are generally driven by a hatred for the other leaving little room for thought over reaction. I became independent because there is zero expectation that you toe a party line, leaving plenty of room to make your own decisions that may go against the grain.

    I also eat apple pie but I do prefer seafood. :
     
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    :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

    Dude, while reading your post I just thought of the worst-of-the-worst!

    Are you ready????


































    Rachel Carson!!!!!!!

    Before her book 'Silent Spring' came oot, approx. two to three million people died a year due to malaria.

    After her book was published and subsequent ban on DDT, approx. thirty million people die EVERY year due to malaria!

    Try to top that!!

    Got to love those liberal militant enviromentalists :D !
     
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    My political stance is probably best described as "Center Right". I hate the role of religion in politics but also hate the far left's attempts to completely purge this country of religion. I am tolerant of lifestyles that do not conform to my ideal version of society, but also do not wish those "alternative" choices forced on me or shoved down my throat. I believe in true racial diversity but am distrustful of "cultural diversity" (our culture is what it is; American. Assimilate dammit). I believe in helping the truly unfortunate but abhor rewarding laziness and stupidity.

    I could go on and on but I think that gives the gist of it. I am probably most truly aligned with the Libertarian party but unfortunately there are never any true Libertarian candidates, they are usually moderate lefties in disguise.
     
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    My political beliefs revolve heavily on my sense of personal responsibility. The government should not tell me what I can and cannot do (within reason). I despise all socialist programs (welfare, medicare, government funded healthcare). While I do have family members that depend on those programs, I believe there are ways to privitize that kind of aid. I do believe the government (local/state/fed) should maintain their park system. I thoroughly enjoy visiting this nations parkland. However, if there was a way to privitize the park system and keep it at the same level, if not better, for access and maintenance, I'd be all for it.

    I am against submitting our country to rules of others; United Nations, NATO, and the "North American Union". I value my rights and freedoms as a citizen of the United States, and I don't need other countries telling me what guns are acceptable for me to own.

    There is not much that the "left" or the "right" has to offer me. Our two-party political system is antiquated and ineffective.
     

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