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Poor John Kerry!!

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by unclematty, Oct 27, 2004.

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  1. unclematty

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    Poor John Kerry:

    He throws away someone else's medals.
    He drives someone else's SUV.
    He marries someone else's rich wife.

    He lives in dozens of someone else's houses.
    He inherits someone else's money.

    He uses ill-advised speech lines penned by someone else.

    And he falls while skiing thanks to the carelessness of someone else.

    . . . . . Perhaps we should all vote for him
    to be president of someone else's country. /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif
    this guy is really apiece of work, the simple logistics of moving 380 tons of high explosive, couldn't be accomplished by a bunch of ill equipped terrorists would require several forklifts (asumming it was palletized) at least 10 semi trucks assuming 40k each, and atleast 1 full day to load and 1 full day to move. we all know that Iraqi trucks don't carry that kind of weight, THE EXPLOSIVES WERE GONE LONG BEFORE WE GOT THERE!!! DAMN, John Kerry is an self serving loudmouth hate monger!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif /forums/images/graemlins/whistling.gif
     
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    Cant be any worse than what Bush has done for our country. Lets see: Since Bush has been in office what has happened? Unemployment is way up, we have the largest national deficit ever, gas averages over $2 a gallon, we attacked Iraq in fear that they had weapons of mass destruction which they obvioulsy didnt have, we have now spent over $200 billion dollars on the war in Iraq and Bush just asked for $75 billion more today, Americans keep getting killed in Iraq every day, we know as a fact that North Korea has at least 4 nuclear warheads in their posession at this very moment and we are not doing anything about it, and im very sad when I think about how much money MY children will have to pay to finance a war that we have not even won!!!! (And I clearly remember last year when Bush stepped off of his plane and said that the war is over.)
    Now dont go arguing that I am a stupid democrat because I will vote for the person I think would do the most good for the country no matter if they are a deomcrat or republican. Im not saying that Kerry has all of the right views or that he would even deliver on all of his promises, but between the two, I feel it would be very hard for Kerry to do any worse than Bush has done for us.
    Plus I know John Edwards wouldnt pull another Haliburton scandal, but dont even get me started on that. /forums/images/graemlins/whistling.gif
    -Harrison
     
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    Cant be any worse than what Bush has done for our country. Lets see: Since Bush has been in office what has happened? Unemployment is way up, we have the largest national deficit ever, gas averages over $2 a gallon, we attacked Iraq in fear that they had weapons of mass destruction which they obvioulsy didnt have, we have now spent over $200 billion dollars on the war in Iraq and Bush just asked for $75 billion more today, Americans keep getting killed in Iraq every day, we know as a fact that North Korea has at least 4 nuclear warheads in their posession at this very moment and we are not doing anything about it, and im very sad when I think about how much money MY children will have to pay to finance a war that we have not even won!!!! (And I clearly remember last year when Bush stepped off of his plane and said that the war is over.)
    Now dont go arguing that I am a stupid democrat because I will vote for the person I think would do the most good for the country no matter if they are a deomcrat or republican. Im not saying that Kerry has all of the right views or that he would even deliver on all of his promises, but between the two, I feel it would be very hard for Kerry to do any worse than Bush has done for us.
    Plus I know John Edwards wouldnt pull another Haliburton scandal, but dont even get me started on that. /forums/images/graemlins/whistling.gif
    -Harrison

    [/ QUOTE ] Damn, are you campaining for Kerry ??? Sounds like the same BS Kerry is spewing. The whole point was Kerry saying it's GW's fault that all those explosives that his UN butt buddy's tagged are missing. Wow, when our troops got there they were already gone, but Kerry is saying they just turned up missing. Same old John Kerry BS, lie and distort the facts to make GW look bad, because it's the only way too try too make himself look good.
     
  5. kennyw

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    Lets see: Since Bush has been in office what has happened?

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    Unemployment is way up

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    This really has more to do with the WTC attacks in 2001 than it does with the president, however unemployment is lower today than it was the day President BUSH entered into office! Your facts from the local democrats are from last year.
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    Kerry twice claimed 1.6 million jobs have been lost under Bush, which is 1 million too high.

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    Factcheck.org (looks like a site that freely posts against both canaidates)

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    we have the largest national deficit ever

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    This is simple economics, when you have a recession there is less tax revenue than was originally estimated when we were so happy about a large surplus (which never actually happened, since it was a 10 year projection based on a dot com bubble). Then we increased spending in many places, went to war on 2 fronts, increased our national security measures due to 9/11, etc. Any president would have been faced with the same exact situation including Al Gore if he would have been in there and actually done something to fight back against the terrorists.
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    Wrong on the Surplus

    Kerry claimed Bush "has taken a $5.6 trillion surplus and turned it into deficits as far as the eye can see." But the country never actually had a $5.6 trillion surplus. The projected surplus Kerry was referring to was a 10-year figure that was already made dubious by a weakening economy and a pent-up Congressional urge to spend. The largest annual surplus actually realized was $236 billion in fiscal year 2000, which ended a month before Bush was elected.

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    Factcheck.org (looks like a site that freely posts against both canaidates)

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    gas averages over $2 a gallon

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    Increased demand from China, natural disasters in the gulf coast halting production (most major hurricanes in a single year this year)... This is also nothing that any American President can control. We need to focus on alternative fuels like bio-diesel and other things we could do cheaper than gasoline/petroleum. Fuel Cells will never be cheaper due to the problems of producing hydrogen unfortunatly and 100% electric cars actually would cost more after you pay your electric bill /forums/images/graemlins/yikes.gif

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    we attacked Iraq in fear that they had weapons of mass destruction which they obvioulsy didnt have

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    No-one in the world knew that at the time, including France, Germany, and Russia or even John Kerry. What we do know now is that Saddam still had everything he needed to quickly start producing the WMD's again when the time was right (after the inspectors were gone). We also went into Iraq to prevent the possibility of him giving these weapons to terrorists, but more than likely it is too late and they were on the caravans of trucks that went into Iran days before the war. We have photo's of the large caravans hauling stuff out of the country, but you wont hear that on the evening news.

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    we have now spent over $200 billion dollars on the war in Iraq and Bush just asked for $75 billion more today

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    Again, the $200 Billion # is incorrect when you try to say that is what we spent on Iraq. That # actually is a total for all military operations against terrorists in both Iraq and Afganastan. The amount spent in Iraq alone is more like $125 billion.

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    Americans keep getting killed in Iraq every day

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    Better there than here! We have the best armed forces in the world, who for the most part are doing a great job. Have you ever seen the stats comparing the # of americans dieing in Iraq to one city in the US? More people die from murders in Detroit than die in Iraq every month.

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    we know as a fact that North Korea has at least 4 nuclear warheads in their posession at this very moment and we are not doing anything about it

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    We are doing something about it, but you dont attack a country armed with 4 nucs. Diplomacy is working better in North Korea than Iraq. North Korea is not violating multiple UN sanctions like Saddam did. We have to work thru the problems with them, not just attack them. We tried in Iraq and diplomacy didnt work.

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    and im very sad when I think about how much money MY children will have to pay to finance a war that we have not even won!!!! (And I clearly remember last year when Bush stepped off of his plane and said that the war is over.)

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    We have won the war, but we have not yet won the peace. Iraq has no standing army supporting Saddam. Iraq has terrorists fighting a gorrilla war that started after we removed Saddam from power.
     
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    Think the lost jobs had something to do with 9/11? Which he is trying to reduce the chances of happening again?

    Do you think the Kerrys with factories all over the world are going to hold true to what is right for the US, no matter who they piss off?

    I certainly don't want another bunny hugging piece of crap appointing judges for the next four years....
     
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    I found the following piece of interest and pass it along:



    "Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore, Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. Most think it's because of his phony battle medals. I think the real reason is below. He was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible service term had ended! This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect.



    There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable, Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable. My guess is that he was Discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was doing trouser-tricks in the Oval Office. Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted. His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire.



    This will blow up in his face before October 15th.



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    On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime).



    On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years - 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & #5).



    Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training.



    Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.



    Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year."



    On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland.



    Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released?



    Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?



    On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve - Inactive.



    On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.



    Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War:



    1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled,and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.



    2 Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.



    3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.



    4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA.



    5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.



    Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the US. Constitution. Lt.Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953 That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.



    The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."



    A. L. "Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL SEAL Authentication Team -Director AuthentiSEAL Phone 707 438 0120 "The only service where all investigators are US Navy SEALs"
     
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    ... I can't wait till the election is over so I can quit hearing all of the political propoganda bullshit on TV, on the radio, in the paper, and on CK5...
     
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    What you take for facts are wrong. To suggest it's Bush's fault that gas is high is absurd. Unemployment is near historical lows, and given we've just come through the single largest speculative rise in the history of the stock market and 9/11, he's done all that any president would have been likely to do. Now, if you're a friend of the offroad community, there is no choice but one. And his name isn't Kerry! /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif
     
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    OOps didn't see BrandonC posted that clip in another post.
    LOL its still worth another look. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
     
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    Re: unemployment: There are more people working now than at any other time ever in the history of America.
    More people own their own homes{including minorites) than at any other time in history.
    The stock market is near all time highs..
    The economy is growing at a rate that is one of the best in history.
    Un employment is 5.3 percent What's wrong with that???? Same as it was under Clonton in 96
    I rember under the Carter(Democrat)) admin it was around 10.5 percent.(I was out of work then. And hungry! maby thats why I dont like democrats /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif) Kerry is just like Jimmy Carter.He would(if elected) give us the same kind of unemployment numbers. And he will surely lead us into a depression.


    So how is it that President Bush is leading America in the wrong direction?
    Only someone who is brainwashed by the great god "Boob Tube" can belive President Bush is bad for our country.
    Please vote for President Bush! I dont like being hungry.
     
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    Cant be any worse than what Bush has done for our country.

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    oh yes it can!

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    Since Bush has been in office what has happened? Unemployment is way up

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    95% of americans are working... in a John Kerry world, we'd be like France. Last time I checked they had over 10% unemployment there.

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    we have the largest national deficit ever

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    of course we do, we had to refinance our debt because komrade klinton went short term with it in order to make himself look good. The result is the next administration had to take care of it. Add in WWIV and some left wing socialism and bingo, you have a big debt.

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    gas averages over $2 a gallon

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    supply and demand, deal with it or change it yourself.

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    we attacked Iraq in fear that they had weapons of mass destruction which they obvioulsy didnt have

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    a) WMDs is not the only reason we went into iraq, and Bush never said it was.

    b) WMDs have been found in Iraq.

    c) every intelligence organization on the planet thought he had massive stockpiles of them.

    d) there is no evidence that suggests the stockpiles weren't moved to syria.

    e) unless you are the head of a national intelligence organization of sometime, you can save the "the obviously didn't have" bullshit. You didn't know before, and you still don't know now. Talking about things you know nothing about makes you look like an ass.

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    we have now spent over $200 billion dollars on the war in Iraq and Bush just asked for $75 billion more today

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    cheap at twice the price.

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    Americans keep getting killed in Iraq every day

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    we're in a world war and your suprised people are dying? do you have any idea what war is? On 9-11 we lost almost 3000... in one HOUR. In the last 3 years since then, we have lost less than half that worldwide in a full-on war on our enemies and you think thats "a lot". There are days in WWII that dwarf that number. Is it bad when we lose people? no [censored]. But you know what people like YOU are doing? Helping the enemy. Think about it and get a fawking clue.

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    we know as a fact that North Korea has at least 4 nuclear warheads in their posession at this very moment and we are not doing anything about it

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    a) Your friend Bill Klinton GAVE north korea their nuclear capability.

    b) why do you fear north korea? they AGREE WITH YOU. They are on your side.

    c) what exactly do you suggest we do? Attack them and get nuked? wow, great plan. We're doing everything we can do with north korea. If you wanna do more, pick up a rifle and take those nuke sites down yourself... just let our boys over know first so they can be far enough away that they wont get nuked.

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    and im very sad when I think about how much money MY children will have to pay to finance a war that we have not even won!!!!

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    the only people saying this in 1944 were Nazi-sympathisers. Are you a terrorist sympathiser or do you unknowingly aid their cause?

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    (And I clearly remember last year when Bush stepped off of his plane and said that the war is over.)

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    you're so full of chit your eyes MUST be brown. Bush never said that and you forking know it. Ok, on the carrier there was a "mission accomplished" sign. So the **** what? That carrier HAD accomplished its mission in Iraq and was heading home. Do you even have ANY idea how the military works? what a mission is? how it might be accomplished and the greater goal/war not even be over? good god man, THINK.

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    Now dont go arguing that I am a stupid democrat

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    i have no idea about the later, I'm posetive about the former tho...

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    Thank God! We can always count on you for a point by point, direct f*ck you rebuttal. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif And for some reason the replies back to yours are never quite as coherent or to the point. /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif


    jekbrown, delivering stinging rebukes to liberal horse sh*t since 19??. /forums/images/graemlins/woot.gif
     
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    socialist appeasers will not be tolerated, ever.

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    gas averages over $2 a gallon

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    Also on this note, the fact that no more fuel refineries are being built because of the overly strict enviromental regulations imposed do not make it feasible or economically sound.
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    Americans keep getting killed in Iraq every day

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    Americans keep getting killed every day in America, and at higher rate than in Iraq, but I don't hear anyone crying about that /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

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    Interesting that there is no reply to that...
     
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    OK lets see, through this post you have called me full of sh@t, stupid, you compared me to Nazi sympathisers, and called me a terrorist sympathiser. And you wonder what the hell im thinking. I can hardly believe that you have the nerve to even suggest that.
    The next time you turn on the tv and see a report about a hummer full of us soldiers being blown up, or a bus full of innocent children being blown up in Iraq, maybe you should stop and think that maybe those were the explosives that were stolen right out from under us. As much as Bush has tried to cover up the facts, we now know for certain that the weapons WERE in Iraq when we got there. Our soldiers were in the building with the weapons that are now missing. What the hell happened there?
    And you want to say President Clinton gave nucs to North Korea. What about your crooked friend Cheney and Haliburton? Looks like he was doing business with Iran. Last time I checked, Iran wasnt on our side.
    You also said we lost 3000 on 9/11 in one hour and have since lost only half that number in war. Comparing our war with Iraq to an attack on innocent civilinas who had no way to plan or prepare for the attack is just insane. You said there are days in WWII that dwarf that number. Well damn, I sure am glad that we have managed to keep our fatalities below the number we had in the largest war we have ever taken part in! You also said right after this that I am helping the enemy. I know you had to bend over to pull this information out. How the hell am I helping the enemy? What, do you think that if Kerry wins the United States will automatically burn to the ground?
    -Its one thing if you attack my point of view on the election, but its completley different when you directly attack me calling me stupid and a terrorist supporter. I dont even have to reply to you after this. I think you did a pretty good job making your self look like a bad person. /forums/images/graemlins/shame.gif
    Let me say this: I already pm'ed it to kennyw, but im going to say it here so maybe you get the point as well. I dont want to argue with you anymore on this matter. We could go around in circles for hours on this subject, and its not going to change either of our beliefs. I think we are all missing the point. The point is that we have the right to have differing opinions. I never said I hated Bush, I only said that I thought he made some bad choices for the us, and I would not like to see him as president for 4 more years. If you dont like my opinion, I dont give a crap. So can we stop this now and maybe restore a little peace on this board? /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gif
    -Harrison
     
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    The next time you turn on the tv and see a report about a hummer full of us soldiers being blown up, or a bus full of innocent children being blown up in Iraq, maybe you should stop and think that maybe those were the explosives that were stolen right out from under us. As much as Bush has tried to cover up the facts, we now know for certain that the weapons WERE in Iraq when we got there.

    [/ QUOTE ] Uh, WRONG, there is no proof that the explosives were there at the time our troops got there. You need too stop beliving all of John Kerry's lies. If you'd watch a non-bias news station like Fox News, you'd see that there is no truth to that. Infact, it is belived that Saddam had them removed and hidden prior to the war. Lets see, If I was the ruler of a country and knew a war was comming, also knew that my enemy knew where my amo dumps were located, I'd order everything moved and hidden. DUH !!!!!!!! I guess you libs don't use comman sense.
     
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    Hey 87BrnRsd, speak your mind and just ignore the peanut gallery. I put 13 years in the Marines and Army so that EVERYONE in this great country can voice their opinions without fear of retribution. Anyone who doesn't comprehend that is just plain ignorant of what this country stands for. I do not mean to offend anyone, but personal insults are not appropriate!
     
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