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questions... Is there no middle ground? (liberal vs conservative)

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Topdown, Oct 2, 2004.

  1. Topdown

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    Just an observation from reading all the heated political "conservative" vs "liberal" crap being spread around lately...

    Why is it that anyone that questions authority, Bush or his administration a liberal and anyone that doesnt think for themselves a conservative? Anyone that agree's with any of the points that Kerry makes is a liberal and therefore not worth listening to and anyone that agree's with any of Bush's points a sheep?

    Since when did we have the opportunity to learn each other well enough to pass judgement?

    I know I personally agree with both Bush and Kerry on different points, issues, etc... but after explaining my views have been credited with being "the most conservative liberal ever"

    So... the questions are these:

    Whats wrong with being a liberal?

    Whats wront with being a conservative?

    Is there no middle ground? - I mean to say just because you arent on the far left, does that mean you are on the far right or vice versus?

    Why is it necessary to call the other (liberal or conservative) names? (I.e. "Nipplehead" - Thank you Bubba)

    Serious questions, so please give me serious answers... I am truly interested. There seems to be so much more anger about this election than I have ever witnessed before.
     
  2. backcountry

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    I do not believe there is anything wrong with being either. This is a free Country and we should vote based upon our own beliefs.

    I do not believe it is necessary to call either names. Some though feel the need to stoop to such low levels!

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  3. unclematty

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    when my tax dollars stop going for paying some fool that doesn't want to work, I'll stop calling liberals names! /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gifworthlessf#@kingaclu luvinbabykillinalltalkdon'tdoanythingpositiveenergypeicesofrottendogspermluvintheUNpilesofsh!ite!!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif /forums/images/graemlins/whistling.gif
    see one post up as proof of what I just uttered!! /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif
     
  4. Resurrection_Joe

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    See it's more fun to be in a large angry group of idots.......

    Heh

    I dunno what I'd classify myself as.... you may know my stance on things and they go from way left to hard right.

    I think I'm slightly left of center, with lots and lots of guns

    And a screw loose



    Anyway....


    It's easier to argue like an idiot if you assume the other side is your steryotypical drone opposite your group. It's very hard, as we have seen, to have a sensible argument without resorting to childish methods unless both sides are willing to be both humble and pleasant. Bad choice of words there. Makes me think of Betty Crocker..... mmm Betty Crocker..... no I'm thinking of Little Debbie...... ?

    It's basically a two party system, you're one or the other because most wont take time to listen to your explanation of all points and then judge you as such

    I've had long involved arguments with Mr. Wineinabox from NY and he's been very pleasant to argue with. Mainly becuase for some reasone I don't really care about what I am arguing about in most of the religion ones.
     
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    I try not to consider myself completely one way or another. Usually I agree with what both sides has to say to some extent, but this year I am liking Bush. "Hey John, why the long face?" LOL, man he puts his foot in his mouth. But its all good, I am sure there will be a dem sooner or later that I will see eye to eye with as far as presidential candidates go. But then again, it might be a while.

    Remington
     
  6. Bubba Ray Boudreaux

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    Why is it necessary to call the other (liberal or conservative) names? (I.e. "Nipplehead" - Thank you Bubba)

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    Cause I got tired of reading the same whiny and illogical arguments a year ago.
     
  7. Corey 78K5

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    Whats wrong with being a liberal?


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    Well to Me a liberalism is the down fall of this country.
    Liberals think that We should never use the military on foreign soil unless We are given permission by the U.N.
    Liberals think that affirmative action should be used for schooling and in the work place.
    Liberals think that unions workers should get a job over Joe American.
    Liberals think that an unborn child has no rights.
    Liberals think that people being out of work and not being able to feed their kids is better than disturbing a few spotted owls.
    Liberals think that tax payers money should be used to support, feed, house and provide medical for people to lazy to work.
    Liberal think that non-Americans should have the same rights as Americans.


    I could go on and on but thats just a few of the reasons why I dislike Liberals.
     
  8. dyeager535

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    As was stated, its the two party system.

    I listen to folks on the radio in the morning, and it honestly appears that many, if not most, people that vote vote for one side or the other, exclusively.

    I don't care what party someone is from, it's what they stand for, or don't stand for, that is important. There have been some truly great liberals, and some truly great conservatives, but IMO, the best ones are those that actually believe in what they are doing, not doing what they are doing because it's the party line.

    Like you mentioned with being labeled...how would a "conservative" who is for say, a free healthcare system for all, while still being pro-gun, going to run for his parties nomination? Those that toe the party line, are going to vote against him, because thats just not what most Republicans want or believe.

    The whole system is screwed up. It really does penalize and hold down those who could be in the middle of these debates between the current two parties.

    Unfortunately, from what I've seen, the other parties out there aren't free-thinkers either, they have a mapped out agenda as well, which is what is screwed up. You should be voting for the person, not the party platform.
     
  9. js4x4

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    Jus tsome examples:
    Conservative mind set is more traditional (ie. a man and woman getting married)
    Liberal is more open to change (ie. a man marryin another man)

    I would consider myself more of a middle ground/more conservative kinda guy. I don't think we need a bloated government to work. I'm more opinioned we need a smaller government vs. one that has a bunch of tax payer programs to support the 'downtrodden'. I have 2 jobs and struggle at times, but don't expect my fellow tax payers to help me. The more liberal tends to favor more folks to suck on the gov't nipple.

    As far as Gay marriage- although i know a few gays, I don't support them being married even though they may be really nice (and nicely dressed /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif) ... I consider marriage very traditional and needs to be kept that way. Aside from the obvious *GROSS* gay men are most commonly infested with disease (ie AIDS) because they will F&^* about anyone that will let em. The arguement of 'oh, they're genetically different' BS, they're men and like us straight guys just wanna get a piece of a$$ (some more literally than others). I don't care if anyone disagrees- i work in medicine, and the gay men with STDs are statistically more common than the women with STDs from unprotected sex....and we get a lot more women in the clinic than men.
     
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    Hey I'm only two on that list!
     
  11. i8yrsuv

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    Sure there is ... I believe that most people now are closer to the "middle" then other generations of the past ...!!!I like to pick the best "horse " that is running for the "prize"...
    I think that the idea of the two parties is tooo old ,old school.... I think that it was more apperent when when had the hippes and the free love thing going on ...About the time JFK brother got shot ...
    I cant believe that people support one party every time ...,To me thats crazy !! The best guy for the job or get fired !!! Isnt thats why we have 4 year terms ?? Both parties tell you crap and when they get elected they find it lot more of a different story then they thought !!!
    I think that the " RIGHTIES " are very offensive and love to blast out name calling !!!!
     
  12. jekbrown

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    [ QUOTE ]
    Whats wrong with being a liberal?

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    a liberal is a socialist with a politically correct name. Socialism doesn't work. Whats 'wrong' with it, is it will eventually run our entire economy into the ground. Without our economy, our society and way of life is toast.

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    Whats wront with being a conservative?

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    thats a pretty good question. AFAIK, there isn't anything wrong with being conservative.

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    Is there no middle ground? - I mean to say just because you arent on the far left, does that mean you are on the far right or vice versus?

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    there is middle ground, both GHW Bush and GW Bush are middle ground. JFK was to the right of either one... I'd call him "middle ground" too. Makes me laugh when media types and left-wing pundits call Bush "right wing".. he's a LONG way from being a true conservative. Of all the issues in American politics, I think he only agrees with the "right" on two... taxes and abortion. Other than that, he's to the left.

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    Why is it necessary to call the other (liberal or conservative) names? (I.e. "Nipplehead" - Thank you Bubba)

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    osama bin laden wants to destroy our way of life... I call him names all the time. Socialists want to destroy our way of life too... they just use politically correct words, the media, the courts and elections to do so. Bin Laden used our own planes against us, the socialists use our own legal/political systems against us. Same deal, take advantage of whatever weakness you can find.

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    Serious questions, so please give me serious answers... I am truly interested. There seems to be so much more anger about this election than I have ever witnessed before.

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    more from the left than anything. I haven't seen to many right-wing protestors going out in mobs and causing property damage, attacking police etc etc etc. They don't like Bush because he has an "r" next to his name, he has a core of values (ie actually believes in right and wrong) and he won't do what they say... as if they got elected or something.

    j
     
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    To me it's not "conservative" vs "liberal". It's who would be the better president. I may not agree with everything GW has done, but I firmly belive he has done well for the most part. I trust Bush. Now on the other hand, Kerry makes some good points, but he keeps flip flopping on the issues. He votes one way one time, and the other the next. I don't think Kerry is in touch with the comman man. I don't think Kerry would do what's best for this country. Bluntly, I don't trust Kerry. To me the whole Iraq war issue shouldn't be about weather we should or should not .......... but should be what we need too do too win this thing. I firmly belive pulling out now would be a big mistake. Right or wrong, we need too finish what we started. I belive we should have finished Saddam back in Desert Storm (91). But that's in the past, and we can't change what already happened. We need too do what it takes in the here and now.
     
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    well said Jek
    ^5
     
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    [ QUOTE ]
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    Whats wrong with being a liberal?


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    Well to Me a liberalism is the down fall of this country.
    Liberals think that We should never use the military on foreign soil unless We are given permission by the U.N.
    Liberals think that affirmative action should be used for schooling and in the work place.
    Liberals think that unions workers should get a job over Joe American.
    Liberals think that an unborn child has no rights.
    Liberals think that people being out of work and not being able to feed their kids is better than disturbing a few spotted owls.
    Liberals think that tax payers money should be used to support, feed, house and provide medical for people to lazy to work.
    Liberal think that non-Americans should have the same rights as Americans.


    Budddy !!!!! I think that they have invented the WHEEL since that thinking !!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
    The parties are more in the middle !!!!Maybe you think differently from where you live ???
     
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    Budddy !!!!! I think that they have invented the WHEEL since that thinking !!!!!
    The parties are more in the middle !!!!

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    Maybe You should go back and reread the first post. He asked what is wrong with Liberals and Conservatives. I said what I thought was wrong with Liberals. He never asked whats wrong with people in the middle /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gif
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    Maybe you think differently from where you live ???

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    Got that right. Probably why I can't stand the big citys or people with big city attitudes. Would much rather live in a small town with real people.
     
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    Jek beat me to it.

    The middle ground is Bush.

    I'm WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY to the right of Bush.

    Example:

    Kerry...Teddy Kennedy...Hillary.Bush....................................Me


    Oh and btw people, news flash. It's not a two party system. There are more than two political parties in this country. That idea makes me sick, George Washington is probably turning over in his grave.
     
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    Well I cant speak for everyone, but it's a two party system for all intents and purposes. It could change, but we would need more Tims and less..... not Tims
     
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    Jek - Well said, Thank you

    Bubba - I usually use the term nipple-d*ck, nipplehead just made me laugh so I remembered it, I didnt mean to single you out... it was just too funny. /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

    -Ryan
     
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    I think it is good to have opposing view points, if we all agreed all the time and nobody ever spoke out we might as well have a dictatorship or have lived in the former Iraq under Saddam. One thing for sure is people will never agree on everything, just won't happen. There is also nothing wrong with hearing others ideas and opinions even if you don't agree with them. Afterall how can you make an informed decision without all the various viewpoints?
     

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