I love the fockers that say to think for yourself and keep your mind free, "don't let anyone tell you what to believe", but if you draw a conclusion they don't like, they're all over you and drop all their respect for you, then make it their business to trash the conclusions you've drawn and allegiances you've made (although they're not actually trashing anything, they're just sharing their en****inglightened opinion). And the [edited] irony is that their info comes from everyone elses thoughts on something, not actually studying or learning about what they're trashing. Good work "Free thinker", way to develope your own opinion. If everyone in the world would realize that everyone is stumbling along like a dang idiot, some just less than others, there'd be a lot more peace in the world and a lot less political sissying, and a whole lot more would get done. Every day this hombre has had some kind of comment about something political. At least twice he's bitched about something I'm fairly well-versed in, politically and theologically; Christianity (how many of you did I just lose?). I say nothing. But soon I may break his jaw. And he thinks we're friends, which we are somewhat. But there are times when you want to punch your friends, too. As a standard ethic, I believe there is no place for politics in a position like mine, therefore I don't discuss politics other than cursory or nuetrally. One of my most common expressions at work is "Hmm, interesting" because it shows concern without opinion, which I think is much more appropriate "on-the-job". I'm sure this works against me, in that the loudmouths get an idea that it's ok to speak like this, maybe even think I agree with them. My boss occasionally fires off liberal political rockets. Most other guys in my position are politically nuetral during the business day, but I *think* there are a few conservative guys that just bite their tongues. I had a debate with my boss one day, and I found myself getting extremely irritated because he expressed very little education on the subject, but was confident he knew enough to make decisions that would affect my life and a particular freedom being restricted. I don't think it's appropriate for someone of my own political alignment to chat politics during the day, so I avoid that also. So not to drop a party-line, but all the political loudmouths I run across during the course of my career seem to be liberal. No respect for, or even idea of, the observers or bystanders political persuasion. I don't remember who it was, but a christian leader or teacher once said that when you're at work, you're on your employers time, not your own leisure time. He was referring to discussing religion at the water cooler, btw, not surfing CK5.