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Sand Wheelin techniques...

Discussion in '1973-1991 K5 Blazer | Truck | Suburban' started by tRustyK5, Apr 2, 2001.

  1. tRustyK5

    tRustyK5 Big meanie Staff Member Super Moderator GMOTM Winner Author

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    I just read Franks post about the best tire for sand wheelin. I'm going to head down to the Portland area at Easter to do some wheelin with (hopefully) Frank, Mudhog and a few others. Anyways I've heard from Mudhog that Sand lakes may be one of the places we go.
    I've never wheeled in sand...so from a sand virgin's viewpoint does anyone have some helpful hints? I'm running 36x12.5 TSL's, 3.73's and a SM 465 with a fairly torquey 350. The tires are 15" by the way. What sort of air pressure should I drop them down to? Throttle input was mentioned any tips? I don't wanna post from China either. Mostly I'd like to avoid embarrassing myself...[​IMG]

    Al tips welcome

    Rene

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  2. Emmettology 101

    Emmettology 101 3/4 ton status

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    Dont get stuck and if you do get stuck yell for help! LOL

    Oh, and take lots of water!

    ;) I am such a smart ass! Sorry!

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  3. freeforever

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    10-15 psi...depends on the sand and how squishey it is...the looser the sand the less PSI you want .... :)

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  4. tRustyK5

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    Varrrrry Funnnny! I think this B.O.M. has gone to yer head [​IMG][​IMG]

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  5. tRustyK5

    tRustyK5 Big meanie Staff Member Super Moderator GMOTM Winner Author

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    I've had the TSL's down to 13 psi and the sidewalls barely flex how low could I safely go? The rims are 10" wide...

    Rene

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  6. Emmettology 101

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    Nah, I just like jokin with ya... [​IMG] LOL

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  7. tRustyK5

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    I know dude! So do you have any useful tips?????[​IMG]

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  8. Executioner

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    I have had the 36x12.5x15 ss tsl down to 8 psi on 8" rims, in the Florance OR. area !
    Had no problems with the air pressure, but the ss love to dig, and dig fast.
    If you can practise starting from a stop on a very slight upward incline, I found with an auto a little brake and gas
    helped me get going.
    Good luck hope the weateher is good.
     
  9. Emmettology 101

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    I have never been on sand, but I will try:

    I would have to say:

    Lower your airpressure
    Light throttle
    No power shifts unless you are showing off for the ladies
    No sharp turn when sidehilling
    Keep yours eyes peeled for wonderful thigns sticking out of the sand that can blow a tire
    Always know what is on the other side of a hill before you crest it

    And last but not least, Dont eat yellow snow! LOL

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  10. Wheels

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    When I was wheelin on the beaches in Fla, we'd air down to about 10 - 12 pounds, floatation is the key, and the 12.50 TSL's should work. The fatter the tire, the better the floatation. Forget about using 4-lo and keep the tire speed up. Sand is like mud in a way except you don't have to spend a fortune at the carwash to get rid of the evidence. Thin tires tend to cut into the sand and bog things down regardless of air pressure. No sharp turns, carry a big shovel and if the windows are open, wear goggles. A hi-lift jack comes in handy when you bury it to the hilt. We used a piece of 3/4 plywood about 18" square under the base of the jack. Then lift the vehicle as high as we could get it and push it over to one side off the jack (sure beat shoveling). Sometimes we had to walk it out with several lifts and pushes. Have fun, and one thing you'll learn.....D#@* sand gets into everything!
     
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    You are gonna have to play with the PSI. I would start somewere between 10-15 psi. You may need to goto 8 but beware when you strat flirting with minnimal PSI you risk spinning your wheel and not the tire, popin beads is common at very low pressures and heavy throttle.
    Be very carful when going over a cress and you don't know whats on the other side, could be a sheer drop off.
    Speed is your friend in sand and if you get into a bowl don't stop at the bottom of it keep your rig moving and drive on the bowls parimiter until you get enough speed to cut down thru the bottom and right up the other side. Allot of fun!!
    Popin wheelies is fun too, approch the small incline and just before you get to the base of it HAMMER IT! the Front will come off the ground when you clear the crest and when you come down don't worry about brakin anything sand is soft and you'll love it!!
    Climbing a hill is fun too, when you loose your forward momentum donot hammer it to try and regain your mometum, you will sink up to your frame!! Stop go in reverse and tryit agin with more momentum this time....
    Good luck and have fun!!

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  12. HarryH3

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    Try to plan your stops in advance so that you can coast to a stop instaed of hitting the brakes and digging in. Makes it much easier to get moving again. [​IMG] Just try to think about smoothness. Smooth starts, smooth stops and smooth steering goes a long way to making it an easier day. Anything abrupt results in the tires digging into the sand.

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    tRusty; he keeps going and going and going an-- ohh wait a minute, he stopped, --Get the jack out!

    WADDUPWITHTHETURTTLE?
    Twiztid, Ya still got it tRusty[​IMG]!
     
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    First of all, you will NEVER embarass yourself...........you will be among friends. Period.

    Second, all the replies were good..........dropping the clutch at 4000 RPM is taboo, as is powering up when your forward momentum is dead. I had my tires at 20psi, had a POS Blue Point low pressure tire gauge of all things (Snap-On) that was reading wrong! So go down to around 10-15 and see if it helps. Mudhog was down to 10 and man was his sidewalls nice and "jello like"..........flexy! What Burt said about momentum is so true! You should have seen Mudhog getting air at the BOTTOM of the hill going up!

    Plus, with your Lincoln Locker don't think you will have too many problems...........

    Oh, if only I could have my D60/14FF in and ready (locked both ends)...........and no soccer jamboree!

    Hey, sounds like TSF early, then Sand Lake later???? Shannon, what's the itinerary? Need to know so if I can get away from the soccer moms early enough I can join y'all.

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  15. mudhog

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    ok first off all sand is different hard packed sand run higher psi soft sand lower psi at sand lake the sand is fairly soft so i run 8-12 psi depending on the conditions if it is soft and bumpy i run 8-10 psi if it is soft and flat i run 10-12 psi and keepthe momentam(sp?) up. also use 4 low with your gear combo. frank i am not sure now that i see people would like to go to sand lake ill let you all decide. i just want to do some more wheeling lol

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    depends. under normal circumstances you want to take it easy and make wiiiide turns. HOWEVER if you are racing this does not apply.Hammer Down cause the first man to get on top of the sand usually wins. Just like wheels said flotation is the key. I was running 3.08 with a 700R4 and was kick'n but with a tired engine.Why? Cause the low first gear in the 700 got me on top of the sand faster than most.
     
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    Thanks everyone! Hopefully we'll get to see if ol tRusty is too fat to fly![​IMG]
    My TSL's aren't radial so getting a sidewall bulge is definitely single digits...
    So Shannon, Sand Lakes? TSF? or both???[​IMG]

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    if we go to sand lake trusty will fly lol ask frank blazers do fly lmao[​IMG]

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    It sounds like you've got plenty of good advice. I used to live in Lincoln City Or. I've been to Sand Lake quite a bit. It is a bit of a drive from Portland but it is well worth it. Lots of fun for everyone. Just don't try on Holiday weekends. It gets too busy. Lots of people getting in the way. Space is also usually limited. Have fun!

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    "Just don't try on a holiday weekend"????????[​IMG] the whole wheelin trip has been orgamanized for the Easter weekend...[​IMG]
    Now he tells us...

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