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School power over your children

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by sled_dog, May 10, 2004.

  1. sled_dog

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    http://www.bmezine.com/news/pubring/20040330.html

    I know you guys are mostly piercing, and often body mod biased but I'd like for you to read this with an open mind and think of the rights aspect of it. I just happened to read back through this article tonight. This site is often biased towards the tattoo owner or pierced person(its a side of body mods of course) but I think in this case its very justified. I can't say I agree with the parents allowing their 12 year old to decide they are ready for a nostril piercing but who is the school to say it? I have my own personal experience with the school system and I must say, I hate it, it works but just barely, and the power abuse in those walls is insane.

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    BME: Didn’t you just expel a student for a nostril piercing that her parents gave her permission for?


    ROSS: For eight hours a day we are that child’s parents, and what we say goes. We have a responsibility to not allow things like this. This isn’t up for negotiation. In any case, we haven’t taken away anyone’s rights — they don’t have to come to school if they don’t want to.


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    Got to love to hear someone say your child is theirs for the day, that and isn't it a law that your children have to attend some form of schooling? If you just remove them from it all together won't someone come after you and throw you in jail? Think a superintendent would know that.
     
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    *COUGH*Homeschool*COUGH*
     
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    My only experience with homeschooling, well the kid lacks something as far as society goes. Social interaction and learning is a huge part of school in my eyes. The pussification of schools alone is creating problems I think, by that I mean schools that don't play dodgeball cause the fat kid might get hit with a damn ball, well he will just think its ok to be that way then. Ok thats another rant.
     
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    For eight hours a day we are that child’s parents

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    Sadly, he is right.

































    If parents gave more of a flock about raising thier kids instead of brainwashing this guy and themselves into the above quoted thinking, society might be a more realistic and sensible place.

    Yet somehow, "Barbie is a lesbian" can sue and win.
     
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    children are always and will always be the parents responsibility and making. I am the way I am cause my dad raised me the way he did. I won't blame problems on him, they are my own making, but I think a certain way and often act a certain way cause of the way I was raised. The teachers and principals had nothing to do with that, except to try and change me by enforcing rules that pushed me down and elevated others.
     
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    My father is a private school administrator/teacher and I know he frowns heavily on things like that, simply from the standpoint of them being a distraction to other students (especially since it is a Christian grade school) but even he will admit that when it comes right down to it, they do not have the authority to tell a child they cannot have the peircings. Being in a private school that tuition is paid to attend, their are certain steps they can take to try to keep it out of the school (dress codes, ect.) but that sounds like someone who most definatly is abusing their position and thinking they have power/authority that they do not.

    I totally agree with homeschooling or private Church schools. The public education system is a joke at best.
     
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    I hope I can raise my children well someday. I doubt I will ever be able to homeschool(of course this is many years from now so who knows) and I will not send my children to a religious private school. But I may just send them to a religious school over the modern public system. I know my experience with it is bad enough that I'd rather never set foot in one again.
     
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    The public education system is a joke at best.

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    Unless you get a transfer to the West side of town.../forums/images/graemlins/pimp1.gif...I went to a private school for a while and I would never subject anyone to that bullshit. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

    As for the distractions, if you can't pay attention in class because someone has a nose ring, then you have other problems. The school I graduated from had zero rules concerning body art/mods, dress(well, you had to have clothes on /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif ), hairsytles, facial hair etc. I can't really think of a time when any of that stuff got in the way of learning.... /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif
     
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    well the kid lacks something as far as society goes. Social interaction and learning is a huge part of school in my eyes.

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    Dunno if you're speaking from first hand experience, but I find that to be a common misconception/myth. I can't tell you how often we hear that, too. Homeschooling is not what people percieve it to be. In fact, people seem to be pissed off when you tell them you homeschool your kids.
    There are so many resources for home schoolers available in the form of activity clubs, "field trips", support groups, etc, that I sometimes don't understand what about public school is so appealling to some people. With homeschooling, the kid gets immensely custom tailored and paced curricullum (state-approved), absorbs it in an atmosphere of comfort, gets exposure to various age groups and perspectives as opposed to the narrow focus and limitation of what class she would be in, and you don't have to worry about some liberalistic or idealistic teacher planting ideas that foster confusion and break-down self confidence.

    People fail to realize that public school isn't always a positive social atmosphere, and usually causes many social disorders in young people. Personally, I think more social reclusiveness is caused by public school than social acceptance.

    So anyway, I have to admit, I didn't read the article, just that line.
     
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    children are always and will always be the parents responsibility and making. I am the way I am cause my dad raised me the way he did. I won't blame problems on him, they are my own making, but I think a certain way and often act a certain way cause of the way I was raised. The teachers and principals had nothing to do with that, except to try and change me by enforcing rules that pushed me down and elevated others.

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    Yeah, agreed, to a degree. Your entire environment influences the person you have become or will become.

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    except to try and change me by enforcing rules that pushed me down and elevated others.

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    That kinda says quite a bit.
     
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    How about vouchers? /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif
     
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    vouchers? I'm missing something
     
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    My only experience with homeschooling, well the kid lacks something as far as society goes.

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    good point, how else is a kid going to get introduced to drugs, illicit sex, disdain for religon/god, vandalism, peer pressure, booze, petty crime, the punk "its kool to be an uneducated thug!" worldview, the correctness of socialism, and all those other joys that are experienced in public schools. /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

    If a homeschooled kid never leaves his house, then ok, he/she may be a social midget... but assuming they get out a bit I don't think the whole social-experience arguement holds much water. I had friends that were home schooled, in general, they seemed nicer, more intelligent/well spoken, and less wanna-be-punk than your average kid at skool...

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