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secret to installing a new balancer???

Discussion in '1973-1991 K5 Blazer | Truck | Suburban' started by solowookie, Sep 8, 2001.

  1. solowookie

    solowookie 1/2 ton status

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    ok guys...

    I had the 305 balancer on this, and I got a 350 balancer from autozone today...

    I am trying to install this thing, and it just will not go. first of all I grease everything up good with white grease / lube. then I put the thing on, and start twisting it until I can feel the groove line up with the pin...

    then I put on the bolt, and start cranking it... well the first one kept sliding on until it was on all the way, and once it was on all the way then the crank would start turning... man I get this one on about a quarter of an inch, and the thing gets jammed somehow... no matter what I do I cannot make it go any further.

    the is a half moon shaped pin that came with this, and I am not clearing that... I took the old one out, and put the new one in. it seems to go an further, but I still have the same problem.

    I'm thinking of taking a file and taking a little off the sides of that pin to see if that helps / makes a difference. I was just wondering if anybody had similiar problems???

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  2. Jeff427

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    Hey Jeff [​IMG]! Is the Key (half moon shape thing) seated evenly in the crank? The top of it should be flat (parallel with the crank).

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  3. solowookie

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    yea it is... I gotta brass hammer, and I pounded (fairly softly) on the top of it until it was even... now the one that came out wasn't orig. seated evenly, but I did the same thing with it...

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  4. 1986Blazer

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    The tool you are talking about does not sound like a balancer installer. Harbor Freight, JCWhitney, NAPA and many other tool sources sell this tool. It has a large bearing that reduces the friction when you intall this item. Even with the tool is is not easy. It takes alot of elbow grease and some large wrenches.

    See if NAPA or a car parts store will loan the tool to you. Let me know if you need a source to get this tool or a part number.

    Chris

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  5. solowookie

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    [​IMG]... well I was hoping you had a little better answer... LOL (I know, truth hurts sometimes)

    the thing that concerns me is the threads on the crank look good, but I had enough elbow grease on this that I stripped out the threads on 2 grade 8 bolts! now I'm kinda assuming that I shouldn't be stripping threads on grade 8 bolts if this thing is going on right??? [​IMG]

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  6. solowookie

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    oh yea...

    p.s. I already tried all the parts stores around here (all 2 of them) and nobody had a installer tool... (just removal tool which is also a pulley puller)

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    Now there is a "wrong" way to do it. line up the keyways, get a board and start hammering, not hard though cause it could mess up the balancer. i wouldn reccommend doing this, cause there is the right way, but this has worked for me before.

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  8. Jeff427

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    Jeff, I would definitely say something isn't right! How deep is the bolt going into the crank (how many threads are you stripping off the bolt)?

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    threads are stripping off a little over a quarter inch... and maybe even a little bit beyond that (the entire bolt to that point... so I don't think it is an elbow grease problem...)

    I'm gonna go try it again with a little file and play with the thing (but not too agressivelly)

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    I've got them started before usng a block of wood and a rubber mallet - these things are just tightly toleranced, and take an act of congress to get installed.

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    I used a large block of wood and a BFH to pound mine on, no local store had an installer and i didnt feel like paying a lot of money for soething i was going to use once

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    OK... tell me what you think of the following;

    it seems like there were a couple of problems... when I put my file in the groove it was a LOT wider at the open, and a LOT narrower... now I widened that a 'little' (nothing drastic...) and then I took some 120 grit sand paper and went very evenly and carefully through the entire hole...

    now I did this about 5 times, and then I'd try to beat it on with my brass hammer. eventually I was able to get it on...

    now, I am assuming that this is acceptable (I can barely get it of will the puller now with the air ratchet...)

    OK, here is my next question; on the timing cover can I use some gasket maker, or do I need to get a gasket for this thing???

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    put it under heat lamp for 20mins
     
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    put what under a head lamp for 20 minutes??? (now that is considering I have a head lamp, and it's less then 50 deg. outside...) maybe I'll have to let this finish up tomorrow when it is warmer...

    I'm assuming by that statement that I will be OK to use gasketmaker, but I gotta let it setup a little first???

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    the gasket for the timing cover or for the balancer, either way the balancer needs to be off, the balancer has a seal like what you put on the axle and if you bought a gasket set for the timing cover if should have come w/ a new one.

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    oh, I know the balancer has got to be off... I had a new gasket, but when I was troubleshooting this stupid thing I pulled the cover off until I could get the problem solved...

    so is that a yes, I can use gasketmaker onit (I am assuming I can)

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    I've got just RTV on my Blazer and the Cherokee's timing cover with no leaks - it's fine to use.

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    thanks pugs... maybe I'll actually get that stupid thing on tonight... (man this has been a pain the the booty!!!)

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    ok guys...

    after getting this thing so it will finally go on I put rtv on the block only to realize (yea can tell I really thought about this) that I couldn't put this on with the oil pan on... [​IMG]...

    so I turned the motor over to have all the lifters but 4 fall on the floor (this is after cleaning up the gooy rtv first), removed the oil pan, and put the timing cover on with the engine upside down, put the oil pan on, turned it over, cleaned all the lifters up and re-lubed them, and then put the balancer on...

    man even with sanding out the inside of the balancer etc. I had to beat the crud outta that thing!!! ended up using my 40oz. hammer with a some plywood, on it, and also my brass hammer when I got toward the end...

    it was only an all afternoon / evening project, but the balancer is ON!!! (finally) (I feel like an idiot it took me all day... I've had that oil pan of 5 times, don't ask cuz I'm a moron, and I'm kinda thinkin by the end of this project I'll be do the Insane Ewok in no time flat!!!)

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    I'll tell you what.....

    If it comes down to it I will mail you my install tool. It may put a three-four day delay on your install but you will at least have the right stuff!

    Chris

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