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Some Thoughts I To Lay Out, Even Though Not Very Well Put Together

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Resurrection_Joe, Sep 1, 2005.

  1. Resurrection_Joe

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    There's a "this sucks" or "I hate this" post on here per day, so I think I'll lay one out for you

    A bunch of "I thinks" I suppose

    I know I will sound pretentious at times, but I'm just going to ramble. I hope we can start a discussion on some point.


    I think there's a general lack of intelligence in the world. Not from conditions, not from upbringing, but from apathy. Otherwise very proper people just want to fly by on emotions, and usually reactionary and selfish ones.

    I think art is dying. It's a product of both sides. People who dismiss it don't care when they should, people really into it become snobbish and elite. It's dying out in the schools at the feet of bland numerical scriptures.

    I think people are losing proper life skills and are paying for it. Whole industries are built on people's lack of initiative. People are eating absolutely horrible food because they can not or will not cook.

    I think there is a lack of personal responsibility throughout America. I think beyond the obvious apathy part of it, it comes from a one time use, **** them and leave, loveless, honor less, conspicuous consumption, off the rack bastardized culture we've created.

    I think people are too afraid and afraid of the wrong things. People are afraid of people on base fact, not because of things they know about them. People are afraid of being victims while allowing themselves to be one. People make reactionary one though decisions that are sometimes even worse. Even if they invest in proper attitudes and hardware, they don't want to take the time to make them all encompassing or train in them.

    I think people are too reactionary as a whole. I think people like to define themselves as a subculture or party just so they don’t have to really think about the issue, they can just read what their party likes and spout that.

    I think people can't or won't look at both sides of the issue, or rather, all sides, because this is becoming a black and white society. Good and evil are not personified; nothing is saintly without having sins.

    I think that the man you see standing around, at ease, observing everything, being polite to everyone, helping everyone out, speaking eloquently, but not too fast, so he can think, the man wearing utilitarian clothes, that simple man, whatever his beliefs are he doesn't impose them on you unless in discussion, the man who stays calm no matter what..... is going to be the one saving your life, changing your tire, taking a bullet, killing your killer, cooking you a meal when you have no food, and making the world a better place.

    Come on, where's the love?

    Right here
     
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    Hey RJ, ever read the lyrics to Charlie Daniels "Simple Man"?
     
  3. Resurrection_Joe

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    Just did, too biased for me
     
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    Sometimes you have to look for the grains of truth in the buckets of sand. You are an articulate and well read young man, and I enjoy reading most of your posts, but sometimes I cannot follow your train of thought.
     
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    Yo just have to remember, as lucid as I can be at times, I am host to the most epic of fantasy
     
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    I think, I agree...

    The lounge has been very nagative as of late.

    Except for black and white. I think to most people the world is grey. The problem is they can't or don't try to see in black and white.

    A is for Apathy..... Everybody's here but nobody showed up

    In many ways I think it could be the undoing of us all.

    The one who does, the one who helps, the one who saves, he is few. Hopefully not as few as I think, I must try to be that man myself, strive to save, strive to do right, and not just by myself.
     
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    You have hit the proverbial nail on the head with that one. In fact, I'd be so bold as to say that statement accounts for 99% of the other problems you listed. It has become all about what you can get away with, what you can shrug off on somebody else, where you can place the blame, or how you can dodge responsibility for behavior. It is rampant, it is encouraged by the media and certain political affiliations, and it has been the downfall of every great civilization.

    That's because you are a wack job RJ, but you're our wack job and let nobody say otherwise........... :D
     
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    [QUOTE People are eating absolutely horrible food because they can not or will not cook.

    Tonight I made fajita's at a friends house, he and I have vowed to learn how to do a better job of cooking for our families. His son's gf ate with us and said she could never touch raw meat so she won't learn how to cook :eek1: Shes 21 and cleans toilets for a living.......I don't get it
    George
     
  9. pauly383

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    I have lived , both in a middle class home with everything , and on a floor in a seedy part of town with nothing .

    I have seen people give you the shirt off their backs .

    I have seen people steal from their neighbors when they weren't looking .

    The prodigal son . Found out hippies were wrong , my parents were right .

    What I really wish I could do is go back to when I could go slappy grind some curbs at speed . Thats what I want to do . Or maybe come flying a parking garage and slide the 97a's around a corner . Thats what I wish I could do .

    I have made a few statements in several lounge posts this week myself that may not have sounded nice . I can't apologize . I feel that way . I have never seen a reason not to feel that way , at least not since I was young and naive . And as long as I live in the US of A , I will feel any way I want .

    Cooking . Now that is an art . I love watching Paula and Rachel with my wife . And I like that guy who is nerdy and explains science stuff to you as he cooks .
     
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    RJ, you are listing the things i keep hearing everyone say is wrong with our country lately, and I agree wholeheartedly on every point. But as of late, I keep having some wierd thoughts/intuitions...like those are just symptoms of a bigger problem??? The one thing that keeps popping into my mind is greed! It seems people are just too greedy to treat other people and themselves the way they should. Why? I don't know. I keep wanting to blame it on the way our capitalistic society has developed over the last hundred years or less. Companies are out to make a profit, and that's all well and good, but I believe they are supposed to do it to make a better company, better products, better working conditions for their employees, and an all around improvement in the communities they are working in. It seems to me that in their efforts to get bigger, more efficient, and more profitable, they have left behind the human factor, and once they started doing that, it was a domino effect. Why should employees care more about their company if their company(read upper management) doesnt care about them. If you're not happy at work how can you be happy at home?

    Another symptom, or cause maybe....people in general are not very spiritual any more. O sure they claim to be religious...and can spout off every verse in the bible and preach it to everyone else....but they don't actually practice it anymore, more like the do as i say not as i do. It seems they are just doing it to put on a show for others.

    A really strange idea popped into my head a few weeks ago. I was thinking to myself, slavery isn't really dead in America yet. It's just that now, instead of big farms using slave labor, its the big corporations. we are now turning into a society of corporate slaves, trying to earn a bigger paycheck to buy more things, to look good/better in the eyes of those around us, and to say look...I have more than you do.

    Eh, that's good for now. Sorry for rambling so much...its been a really long week here and sometimes I have a hard time putting my thoughts into words, and getting them to come out right. Feel free guys to help elaborate or throw in you own ideas. There's a ton of other ideas i could bring up, but its late and im could really start rambling now. :D
     
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    At the risk of sounding like an asshat being the pessimistic person I've always been, I'll take this opporotunity to say thank you to you, RJ for being (most of the time) the mouth of reason. Allthough sometimes I can't follow what you are attempting to say, most of the verbage that streams from you is eloquent and to the point.

    Back on topic,
    I really do think humanity is headed in the wrong direction, I've thought that for a very long time. due in most part to my lack of an upbringing, and very little in the way of what could be called a fair and just chance to make something of my life, which has left me feeling bitter and untrusting, and with an overwhelming sense of injustice going on around me, I attack it at every turn with an ire that has been described as nearly Beserker like, and now I have alienated almost every person I have come in contact with, without really meaning too.

    and with humans being what we all are, Fallible, I find that I cannot make an honest judgement on anything or anyone, without wondering whether I am going overboard, I say humans suck, because I can't stand alot of the things people around me do. I often wonder if they are being selfish, or if they really don't care about anyone else, or maybe they are just so caught up in their own little lives that their rights are the only things that get to be exercised at the expense of everyone elses rights. (WTF did I just say?) My personal religious beliefs state that everyone will get what they earned in the end be it good, or bad. and all I can do is hope that in the end of all things, that because my intentions were good and mostly formed to promote the well being of those I care about that maybe God will let me have a little peace in my head, even if it is not real and all immoral and unjust people get to live on with the rest of us, even though I/we ( the good people ) have tried our whole lives to do the right thing in the name of doing it. I just hope that in the end there is a little gratification, if nothing else to bring some sense of moral justification for what appears to be my entire existance.

    I won't apologize for rambling, I think I just laid my heart out on my sleeve, who cares you guys are my friends and thats all that really matters.

    I caught that Porno for Pyros tune "we'll make great pets" and I thought "No we won't" some of us are far too rebelious for our own good,we intentionally bite the hand that feeds us, I like to call it my own built in self defeat mechanism. the weird thing is that I recognize mine and so I think I can work around it, but other people are to self absorbed to realize that they are contributing to their own downfall. Ahh screw it! I got an airframe test in the morning, and I also have to rig the flight controls on this ancient cessna before I go home tommorrow from school. Maybe if I hurry, I can catch the last off the hot water in the shower with wife. good night all. :screwy:
     
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    Well quit whining and do something about it, geeeeeezeeeeeeee. It's like you're a 14 year old boy with mascera on!

    Both of us know you're better than that. Concentrate on the beautiful things, ignore or fix the bad things, and be at peace. Gnashing of teeth and rattling of chains are not the hallmarks of serenety.

    I'm through with bloodlust, I'm through with whining and complaining.

    I'm for love, I'm for peace. I'm for art and I'm for music. I'm for freedom, and I'm for balance. I'm for understanding, and I'm for intelligence. I'm for being prepared, and for hoping you never need to be.

    Love And Peace
     
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    Basically people are selfish, looking out only for themselves. I'm not saying that no one ever does anything unselfish, but human nature is to look out for #1. This goes for those who are over zealous as well as those that are lazy. The over zealous gets what he can for himself no matter who he hurts, and the lazy doesn't want to inconvenience himself to get what he needs. He would rather have someone get it for him, and in many cases EXPECTS someone to get it for him.

    Very small example- Last night I saw a woman on the news who had received one of the "military" meals (I forget the name of them) and was complaining b/c it tasted bad and it was not hot. She had had no food for 3 days and finally got some, but was complaining about the fact that it wasn't hot implying that someone should have done something more for her. In fact she said "it was terrible". How did she expect them to heat it? There's no power for 200 miles???

    I began to think just how easy we have it in this country. We have it so easy that when hardship comes we simply cannot deal with it. If this hurricane would have happened 150 years ago, I have no doubt that the survivors of the Gulf coast would have been able to manage and keep order much better than they are today.
     
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    I think I need to make My morning trip to the head :D
     
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    Christ me too.... too early for a night shift man
     
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    I have a lot of thoughts on this, but wouldn't be able to express them without sounding like a crazy woman.

    Basically, I feel that most of this country's population feels like they have no one to rely on but the gov't. Can't do this, can't do that, can't drive without a seatbelt or take a putt without a helmet, and so on and so on -- trying to regulate things that are nature's form of population control. Always trying to save people from themselves. They treat us like a bunch of morons who aren't capable of making a decision on our own, so when things happen (like NO), people expect the gov't to take care of them and then get pissed or feel slighted when it doesn't happen fast enough or the way they think it should or whatever. Not sure if I'm making any sense here...

    Why I rarely watch the news: The media so over-saturates us with all of the gory little details and images how can you not become desensitized when that's all we will see or hear about for weeks (or until some other tragedy strikes). It detracts from the seriousness of the situation. I think as a society, we are so out of touch with the realness of life, that most people can't even begin to grasp the magnitude of what has occurred. Is this apathy or something else?

    A lot of those people in the Gulf had warning and a bit of time to get out and get their families somewhere safe, yet they chose to risk it and stay. Now they are complaining because they are stuck there and the gov't isn't working fast enough, hard enough or whatever to save them. Yet they had an opportunity to be proactive and take care of themselves. Makes me crazy...
     
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    You are making perfect sense. You just described the Democratic Party in a nutshell.
     
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    Our parents said "look both ways before you cross the street"
    parents of today say "go ahead, he will stop he doesn't want to get sued"

    Personal responsibility has gone. As well as the high moral character our country was founded on. We have become what we despised. Self reliance has given way to infantile dependance on everyone in our blameless, "it's not my fault/responsibility", society.
    God help us all
     
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    Love Love Love

    Bum Da Bum
     
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    This was written before you were born . Yet the lyrics are as valid today as they were then .

    I don't believe in superstars
    Organic food and foreign cars
    I don't believe the price of gold
    The certainty of growing old
    That right is right and left is wrong
    That north and south can't get along
    That east is east and west is west
    And bein' first is always best.

    But I believe in love
    I believe in babies
    I believe in mom and dad
    And I believe in you.

    Well, I dont believe that heaven waits
    For only those who congregate
    I'd like to think of God as love
    He's down below
    He's up above
    He's watchin' people everywhere
    He knows who does and doesn't care
    And I'm an ordinary man
    Sometimes I wonder who I am.

    But I believe in love
    I believe in music
    I believe in magic
    And I believe in you.

    I know with all my certainty
    What's goin' on with you and me
    Is a good thing
    It's true
    I believe in you.

    I dont believe virginity
    Is as common as it used be
    In workin' days and sleepin' nights
    That black is black and white is white
    That Superman and Robinhood
    Are still alive in Hollywood
    That gasoline's in short supply
    The risin' cost of gettin' by

    But I believe in love
    I believe in old folks
    I believe in children
    I believe in you.

    I believe in love
    I believe in babies
    I believe in mom and dad
    And I believe in you.


    Don Williams
     

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