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steers all over the @$^$^ road!

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by sandracer0004, Feb 5, 2004.

  1. sandracer0004

    sandracer0004 1/2 ton status

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    hey guys i have a question,

    my truck is all over the road, it steers like hell, I prob need an alignment, but its so bad im scared to tow my trailer over 50 with out it drifting all over the place, just as bad with out a trailer. I think i need to replace my steering arm, I have replaced both the ball joints on the drag link and the shaft between the tires up front looks good, but im wondering about the gear box? can you adjust them? 167k miles on the truck. Im just wondering if the gear box is part of my frustration? also my sway bar bushings are trashed, i have new ones but does that affect steering?

    help?
     
  2. pauly383

    pauly383 Daddy383 Staff Member Moderator

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    First off look around the gearbox for frame cracks. Could happen. I would run the steering brace kit anyway if you find none ( ordering mine ). And if all is ok get aligned and rebalance the tires.
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    tie rod ends? ball joints?
     
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    rjfguitar 3/4 ton status GMOTM Winner

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    3 words...dual steering stabilizer
     
  5. big k5

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    Check out www.autofab.com if your frame is cracked (or not) about a steering box brace they are built very good,it'll run you about a $100.00,but well worth it.
     
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    southernspeed 1/2 ton status GMOTM Winner

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    I had bad tyre wear and the truck wandering all over the place. I had cracks around the steering box on the frame and the steering knuckle ball joints top and bottom were totally shot. Much hard work, swearing and hammer weilding and it's sweet now! /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     
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    Aside from toe-in/out there isn't much to align.

    Frame cracks...
    loose box mounting bolts (common)
    bad ball joints
    bad DL ends
    bad TR ends
    messed up rag joint

    My 81 Jimmy, no sway bar, single stabilizer, on 39.5" TSL's steers down the road straight and without any wander even at 70 mph...and the TSL's are bias ply. My steering box has never been adjusted and has well over 220,000 miles on it.

    Rene
     
  8. the cowboy

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    Your best bet will be to have an assistant sit in the truck and wiggle the wheel while you watch the system. It should be obvious then where the play is.

    Hope that helps
     
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    [ QUOTE ]
    Your best bet will be to have an assistant sit in the truck and wiggle the wheel while you watch the system. It should be obvious then where the play is.

    Hope that helps

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    This works the best for finding the problems, at least is always has for me, you can actually see where the play is and in/on which component. About the only thing you can do to ajust the steering gearbox is a locking nut and usually a little allen head screw, but all that does is tightens up the gear "mesh" if you will,,, doesn't really help out with the loose side to side play the wheel might have, will only make it "tighter" to turn, i didn't like it when i messed with mine and don't think you should really mess with it all. If your gearbox has alot of side to side play, which it might with that many miles, i would just break down and buy a new one. Unless of course you DO find play in one of the steer components.
     
  10. the excuse

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    thats what i did found out my stering box was loose and i had a bad ball joint. i have hydroboost and my steering is too easy. it dosnt retyrn to center and the wheel turns too easily. what can i do?
     
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    The only return to center you can get is from your wheel alignment (caster + camber + toe). You can't adjust the caster without welding or changing pinion angle, but an alignment shop can help you with the rest. As for the steering being too easy, you probably need to change the valve in the output of the steering pump.
     
  12. the excuse

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    how is that done?
     
  13. Mastiff

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    [ QUOTE ]
    The only return to center you can get is from your wheel alignment (caster + camber + toe). You can't adjust the caster without welding or changing pinion angle, but an alignment shop can help you with the rest. As for the steering being too easy, you probably need to change the valve in the output of the steering pump.

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    Interesting. I've always thought my steering was too easy also. Tell us more about this valve deal. /forums/images/graemlins/ears.gif
     
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    [ QUOTE ]
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    The only return to center you can get is from your wheel alignment (caster + camber + toe). You can't adjust the caster without welding or changing pinion angle, but an alignment shop can help you with the rest. As for the steering being too easy, you probably need to change the valve in the output of the steering pump.

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    Interesting. I've always thought my steering was too easy also. Tell us more about this valve deal. /forums/images/graemlins/ears.gif

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    Ditto! My '91 feels light on the steering compared to modern vehicles but my '78 is WAY lighter and feels real 'flighty' going down the and I know all components are good as I've just replaced EVERYTHING! /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif
    It would be nice to get a bit more 'feel' from it. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     
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    Mastiff 1/2 ton status Premium Member

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    These guys have an adjustable pressure regulator for the power steering. May be the ticket to get a little more feedback feel by lowering the pressure slightly. Kind of a plumbing hassle though. There's probably a better way to do it internally if you had the right parts.

    http://www.heidts.com/heip27.htm#power
     
  16. southernspeed

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    Thanks. Looks like a big brake proportioning valve. Guess it would work but would be straining the pump all the time as it probebly only restricts flow..not sure I like the idea of that. Anyone tried one?? /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     
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    what about that little jam nut and hex bolt in the top of the stering box.
     
  18. Mastiff

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    Thanks. Looks like a big brake proportioning valve. Guess it would work but would be straining the pump all the time as it probebly only restricts flow..not sure I like the idea of that. Anyone tried one?? /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

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    Actually, it doesn't work by restricting it, it just sends the unneeded pressure back to the pump and sends the amount you dial in to the box. I found an article from Hot Rod magazine, but I lost the URL. You could find it with Google pretty easily.
     
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    Cool! Not cheap but sounds like it's worth a go...thanks! /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     

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