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Discussion in 'The Garage' started by dremu, Aug 26, 2005.

  1. dremu

    dremu Officious Thread Derailer Premium Member

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    a Detroit "No-Spin" is the regular Detroit we all put in our 14-bolts, yes?

    Said another way, there's only one kind of Detroit for the 14bff, yes?

    It's the Gov-Loc that is the POS from the factory?

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  2. Greg72

    Greg72 "Might As Well..." Staff Member Super Moderator

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    NOOBIE! :D


    Gov-Lock looks like this:

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    Standard 14-Bolt "Open" carrier (that Detroits go into) looks like this:

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    Gov-Locs have that weird 3-spider gear looking thing......conventional open carrier has the symmetrical 4-spider gear "cross" setup.

    Anyway.....consider yourself edu-makated. Go forth and sin no more! :usaflag:
     
  3. dremu

    dremu Officious Thread Derailer Premium Member

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    and the Detroits are all the same for the 14bff? Some people call 'em Detroits, others No-Spin ... they the same animal?

    -- A
     
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    tRustyK5 Big meanie Staff Member Super Moderator GMOTM Winner Author

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    Same same..







































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    :haha:

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  5. dremu

    dremu Officious Thread Derailer Premium Member

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    Yes, but a noob who will be making BlazerBash, locked on at least one end, possibly both. :woot:

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    BurbLover 1/2 ton status

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    Thanks for clearin' that up for the rest of "NOOBS" of the world.

    BTW, how'd you get such a high post count Noob :D
     
  7. dremu

    dremu Officious Thread Derailer Premium Member

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    No n00b to the world of K5's, I've been posting here since 'fore Y2K5. I am, however, a noob to the world of wheelin' for real. :D

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  8. 78Suburban

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    nother noob question....
    what does a factory detroit look like, and whats the difference in those and the aftermarket detroit?

    Did detroit lockers ever go into 3/4 tons?? Mine is supposedly a government issue (not military).. for what that's worth..

    would the factory detroit have the 4 little shafts like an open carrier? How do I identify if its a locker from the factory?? (I'm praying its either open or locker. and not gov bomb..) I'll change diff fluid in a few days when some more $$ comes in...........
     
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    dremu Officious Thread Derailer Premium Member

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    I *thought* the factory only offered Gov-Locks, RPO G80.

    In general, however, the number of shafts should be the deciding factor. Four is for open carriers and Detroits, three for Gov-Locks.

    -- A
     
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    I think people on here have said that CUVC's often came with factory lockers... I doubt there's much change of mine actually having a locker, but I can hope it does....
     
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    I believe you are correct on the factory only gov-locks thingy.

    However, mil-spec (military specification) 5/4 ton CUCVs had detroits in them. The mil-spec detroit is the same as an aftermarket detroit.
     
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    dremu Officious Thread Derailer Premium Member

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    Yeah, don't rub it in ... some of the pickup CUCV's came that way (particularly the M1028 heavy ones, think those're the ones with a Detroit up front!)

    But the *Blazer* CUCV's came with a Gov-Lock in a 10-bolt -- like mine. 'Sokay, not like I'm gonna wheel that truck (it's straight, wonder of wonders!) but still. :angry1:

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    Rub it in why don't ya? :doah:

    I'll be lucky to make '06 never mind this year. :mad:

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    all the CUCV's based on the pickup had a Detroit in the 14 bolt.

    No-Spin is Tractech's way of denoting any Detroit locker not sold to the general public- i.e. to General Motors in mass quantities for the CUCV, or other industrial apps.

    none of them had Detroits up front...some, like the 1028 heavies, had a Trak-Lok, which is a clutch pack type limited slip and not a locker.
     
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    Remmeber, though, the 14boltff Gov lock was pretty strong....way better than the 10 bolt version
     
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    the military ones have they were all one tons( 5/4 ton trucks according to the military) and mine looks just like my old detriot I had in another 14 bolt
     
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    dremu Officious Thread Derailer Premium Member

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    Uhh, the Detroit I just bought for my 14bff says "No-Spin" on it, which was what prompted this whole discussion. Or is the 14bff an industrial app? :D

    That thing. Knew they had some kind of traction device in the D60, couldn't remember what.

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    The Detroit "No Spin" is just one type of locker they make....

    They also make something called a "Soft Locker" and a "C Locker?"... anyway, the only option on the 14BFF is the "No Spin".....the soft locker is for lighterweight vehicles and axles, etc.

    A quick Google on "Detroit Locker" will get you to a few pages that esplain it all.... :thumb:
     
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    Not true. No-Spin and Detroit Locker are just 2 different marketing names that have been used over the years for the same product. The orignal name was the No-Spin, back when the unit was first sold in 1939 (how's that for some "old tech"?)

    For more than you ever wanted to know about differentials, click on http://www.angelfire.com/super/ThunderTruck/Technical.htm and then click on the "Automotive Locking Differentials" link... :cool1:
     
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    i was just going to post the whole artical as i dident have the link any more harry beat me to it
     

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