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The "Real" Deal about Nuclear, Bio, and Chem Attacks

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  1. chevyracing

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    The \"Real\" Deal about Nuclear, Bio, and Chem Attacks

    > The "Real" Deal about Nuclear, Bio, and Chem Attacks by SFC Red Thomas
    > (Ret)
    >
    > Since the media has decided to scare everyone with predictions of
    > chemical, biological, or nuclear warfare on our turf I decided to write
    > a paper and keep things in their proper perspective. I am a retired
    > military weapons, munitions, and training expert.
    >
    > Lesson number one: In the mid 1990's there were a series of nerve gas
    > attacks on crowded Japanese subway stations. Given perfect conditions
    > for an attack less than 10% of the people there were injured (the
    > injured were better in a few hours) and only one percent of the injured
    > died.
    >
    > 60 Minutes once had a fellow telling us that one drop of nerve gas could
    > kill a thousand people. Well, he didn't tell you the thousand dead
    > people per drop was theoretical.
    >
    > Drill Sergeants exaggerate how terrible this stuff was to keep the
    > recruits awake in class (I know this because I was a Drill Sergeant
    > too). Forget everything you've ever seen on TV, in the movies, or read
    > in a novel about this stuff. It was all a lie (read this sentence again
    > out loud!)!
    >
    > These weapons are about terror. If you remain calm, you will probably
    > not die. This is far less scary than the media and their "Experts," make
    > it sound.
    >
    > Chemical weapons are categorized as Nerve, Blood, Blister, and
    > Incapacitating agents. Contrary to the hype of reporters and politicians
    > they are not weapons of mass destruction they are "Area denial," and
    > terror weapons that don't destroy anything.
    >
    > When you leave the area you almost always leave the risk. That's the
    > difference; you can leave the area and the risk; soldiers may have to
    > stay put and sit through it and that's why they need all that spiffy
    > gear. These are not gasses, they are vapors and/or air borne particles.
    >
    > The agent must be delivered in sufficient quantity to kill/injure, and
    > that defines when/how it's used. Every day we have a morning and evening
    > inversion where "stuff," suspended in the air gets pushed down. This
    > inversion is why allergies (pollen) and air pollution are worst at these
    > times of the day. So, a chemical attack will have it's best effect an
    > hour of so either side of sunrise/sunset.
    >
    > Also, being vapors and airborne particles they are heavier than air so
    > they will seek low places like ditches, basements and underground
    > garages. This stuff won't work when it's freezing, it doesn't last when
    > it's hot, and wind spreads it too thin too fast. They've got to get this
    > stuff on you, or, get you to inhale it for it to work.
    >
    > They also have to get the concentration of chemicals high enough to kill
    > or wound you. Too little and it's nothing, too much and it's wasted.
    > What I hope you've gathered by this point is that a chemical weapons
    > attack that kills a lot of people is incredibly hard to do with military
    > grade agents and equipment so you can imagine how hard it will be for
    > terrorists.
    >
    > The more you know about this stuff the more you realize how hard it is
    > to use. We'll start by talking about nerve agents. You have these in
    > your house, plain old bug killer (like Raid) is nerve agent. All nerve
    > agents work the same way; they are cholinesterase inhibitors that mess
    > up the signals your nervous system uses to make your body function. It
    > can harm you if you get it on your skin but it works best if they can
    > get you to inhale it. If you don't die in the first minute and you
    > can leave the area you're probably gonna live.
    >
    > The military's antidote for all nerve agents is atropine and pralidoxime
    > chloride. Neither one of these does anything to cure the nerve agent,
    > they send your body into overdrive to keep you alive for five minutes,
    > after that the agent is used up. Your best protection is fresh air and
    > staying calm. Listed below are the symptoms for nerve agent poisoning.
    >
    > Sudden headache, Dimness of vision (someone you're looking at will have
    > pinpointed pupils), Runny nose, Excessive saliva or drooling, Difficulty
    > breathing, Tightness in chest, Nausea, Stomach cramps, Twitching of
    > exposed skin where a liquid just got on you. If you are in public and
    > you start experiencing these symptoms, first ask yourself, did anything
    > out of the ordinary just happen, a loud pop, did someone spray something
    > on the crowd?
    >
    > Are other people getting sick too? Is there an odor of new mown hay,
    > green corn, something fruity, or camphor where it shouldn't be?
    >
    > If the answer is yes, then calmly (if you panic you breathe faster and
    > inhale more air/poison) leave the area and head up wind, or, outside.
    > Fresh air is the best "right now antidote". If you have a blob of liquid
    > that looks like molasses or Kayro syrup on you; blot it or scrape it off
    > and away from yourself with anything disposable.
    >
    > This stuff works based on your body weight, what a crop duster uses to
    > kill bugs won't hurt you unless you stand there and breathe it in real
    > deep, then lick the residue off the ground for while. Remember they have
    > to do all the work, they have to get the concentration up and keep it up
    > for several minutes while all you have to do is quit getting it on
    > you/quit breathing it by putting space between you and the attack.
    >
    > Blood agents are cyanide or arsine which effect your blood's ability to
    > provide oxygen to your tissue. The scenario for attack would be the same
    > as nerve agent. Look for a pop or someone splashing/spraying something
    > and folks around there getting woozy/falling down. The telltale smells
    > are bitter almonds or garlic where it shouldn't be.
    >
    > The symptoms are blue lips, blue under the fingernails, rapid breathing.
    > The military's antidote is body working for five minutes till the toxins
    > are used up. Fresh air is the your best individual chance.
    >
    > Blister agents (distilled mustard) are so nasty that nobody wants to
    > even handle it let alone use it. It's almost impossible to handle safely
    > and may have delayed effect of up to 12 hours.
    >
    > The attack scenario is also limited to the things you'd see from other
    > chemicals. If you do get large, painful blisters for no apparent reason,
    > don't pop them, if you must, don't let the liquid from the blister get
    > on any other area, the stuff just keeps on spreading. It's just as
    > likely to harm the user as the target. Soap, water, sunshine, and fresh
    > air are this stuff's enemy.
    >
    > Bottom line on chemical weapons (it's the same if they use industrial
    > chemical spills); they are intended to make you panic, to terrorize you,
    > to herd you like sheep to the wolves. If there is an attack, leave the
    > area and go upwind, or to the sides of the wind stream. They have to get
    > the stuff to you, and on you.
    >
    > You're more likely to be hurt by a drunk driver on any given day than be
    > hurt by one of these attacks. Your odds get better if you leave the
    > area. Soap, water, time, and fresh air really deal this stuff a
    > knock_out_punch. Don't let fear of an isolated attack rule your life.
    > The odds are really on your side.
    >
    > Nuclear bombs. These are the only weapons of mass destruction on earth.
    > The effects of a nuclear bomb are heat, blast, EMP, and radiation. If
    > you see a bright flash of light like the sun, where the sun isn't, fall
    > to the ground!
    >
    > The heat will be over a second. Then there will be two blast waves, one
    > out going, and one on it's way back. Don't stand up to see what happened
    > after the first wave; anything that's going to happen will have happened
    > in two full minutes. These will be low yield devices and will not level
    > whole cities.
    >
    > If you live through the heat, blast, and initial burst of radiation,
    > you'll probably live for a very very long time. Radiation will not
    > create fifty foot tall women, or giant ants and grass hoppers the size
    > of tanks. These will be at the most 1 kiloton bombs; that's the
    > equivalent of 1,000 tons of TNT.
    >
    > Here's the real deal, flying debris and radiation will kill a lot of
    > exposed
    > (not all!) people within a half mile of the blast. Under perfect
    > conditions this is about a half mile circle of death and destruction,
    > but, when it's done it's done. EMP stands for Electro Magnetic Pulse and
    > it will fry every electronic device for a good distance, it's impossible
    > to say what and how far but probably not over a couple of miles from
    > ground zero is a good guess. Cars, cell phones, computers, ATMs, you
    > name it, all will be out of order.
    >
    > There are lots of kinds of radiation, you only need to worry about
    > three, the others you have lived with for years. You need to worry about
    > "Ionizing radiation," these are little sub atomic particles that go
    > whizzing along at the speed of light. They hit individual cells in your
    > body, kill the nucleus and keep on going.
    >
    > That's how you get radiation poisoning, you have so many dead cells in
    > your body that the decaying cells poison you. It's the same as people
    > getting radiation treatments for cancer, only a bigger area gets
    > radiated. The good news is you don't have to just sit there and take it,
    > and there's lots you can do rather than panic.
    >
    > First; your skin will stop alpha particles, a page of a news paper or
    > your clothing will stop beta particles, you just gotta try and avoid
    > inhaling dust that's contaminated with atoms that are emitting these
    > things and you'll be generally safe from them.
    >
    > Gamma rays are particles that travel like rays (quantum physics makes my
    > brain hurt) and they create the same damage as alpha and beta particles
    > only they keep going and kill lots of cells as they go all the way
    > through your body. It takes a lot to stop these things, lots of dense
    > material, on the other hand it takes a lot of this to kill you.
    >
    > Your defense is as always to not panic. Basic hygiene and normal
    > preparation are your friends. All canned or frozen food is safe to eat.
    > The radiation poisoning will not effect plants so fruits and vegetables
    > are OK if there's no dust on em (rinse em off if there is).
    >
    > If you don't have running water and you need to collect rain water or
    > use water from wherever, just let it sit for thirty minutes and skim off
    > the water gently from the top. The dust with the bad stuff in it will
    > settle and the remaining water can be used for the toilet which will
    > still work if you have a bucket of water to pour in the tank.
    >
    > Finally there's biological warfare. There's not much to cover here.
    > Basic personal hygiene and sanitation will take you further than a
    > million doctors. Wash your hands often, don't share drinks, food, sloppy
    > kisses, etc., ... with strangers.
    >
    > Keep your garbage can with a tight lid on it, don't have standing water
    > (like old buckets, ditches, or kiddie pools) laying around to allow
    > mosquitoes breeding room. This stuff is carried by vectors, that is
    > bugs, rodents, and contaminated material. If biological warfare is so
    > easy as the TV makes it sound, why has Saddam Hussein spent twenty
    > years, millions, and millions of dollars trying to get it right?
    >
    > If you're clean of person and home you eat well and are active you're
    > gonna live. Overall preparation for any terrorist attack is the same as
    > you'd take for a big storm. If you want a gas mask, fine, go get one. I
    > know this stuff and I'm not getting one and I told my Mom not to bother
    > with one either
    > (how's that for confidence). We have a week's worth of cash, several
    > days worth of canned goods and plenty of soap and water. We don't leave
    > stuff out to attract bugs or rodents so we don't have them.
    >
    > These people can't conceive a nation this big with this much resources.
    > These weapons are made to cause panic, terror, and to demoralize. If we
    > don't run around like sheep they won't use this stuff after they find
    > out it's no fun. The government is going nuts over this stuff because
    > they have to protect every inch of America. You've only gotta protect
    > yourself, and by doing that, you help the country.
    >
    > Finally, there are millions of caveats to everything I wrote here and
    > you can think up specific scenarios where my advice isn't the best. This
    > letter is supposed to help the greatest number of people under the
    > greatest number of situations.
    >
    > If you don't like my work, don't nit pick, just sit down and explain
    > chemical, nuclear, and biological warfare in a document around three
    > pages long yourself.
    >
    > This is how we the people of the United States can rob these people of
    > their most desired goal, your terror.
    >
    > SFC Red Thomas (Ret) Armor Master Gunner Mesa, AZ
     
  2. landsmasher

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    Re: The \"Real\" Deal about Nuclear, Bio, and Chem Attacks

    Hey that's some good stuff there. Thanks for posting it!

    Now I can die of a liver disorder like I planned... /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif
     
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    Re: The \"Real\" Deal about Nuclear, Bio, and Chem Attacks

    wow lots of info.. good stuff though /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     
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    Re: The \"Real\" Deal about Nuclear, Bio, and Chem Attacks

    Great post!

    Wish it was mandatory reading in Los Angeles...
     
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    Re: The \"Real\" Deal about Nuclear, Bio, and Chem Attacks

    awesome post /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif
     
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    Re: The \"Real\" Deal about Nuclear, Bio, and Chem Attacks

    I forwarded this to my Dad and he sent it to a former Marine Chem-Bio specialist/instructor who said it was accurate. I'm making everyone I know read it now. Just thought everyone would like to know that it is valid info. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     
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    Re: The \"Real\" Deal about Nuclear, Bio, and Chem Attacks

    Just got this in my email...kind of along the same line.

    "Here's another point of view - probably a bit more practicable.

    "The terrorists are coming! The terrorists are coming!"
    they scream...and scream...and scream....

    "We don't know how or when or where, but you'd better get ready! Stockpile 3 days of food and water, get some extra batteries and a portable radio, seal your windows with duct tape and plastic, pack your car for a quick get away, make family contact arrangements in case "it" happens when everyone's out doing what they normally do!"

    That's what the government, Red Cross, FEMA, etc. say we need to be doing...while they tell us, in the very next breath, that we ought to continue living our lives the way we *always* have!

    And you have to wonder, as you watch people swarming through stores scarfing up duct tape and plastic sheeting and gas masks and survival gear......what's REAL here and what DO we do about it?

    For openers, "what's real" is that we're probably going to suffer more terrorists attacks, and no, we probably won't know when or how they'll come. All we do know is the attacks will probably come as a surprise and we won't be prepared......and our only real control in this time of increasing fear and uncertainty lies in how we *choose* to respond to everything that's happening.

    Yes, we can panic, scream, cry, get depressed, frustrated, feel bad, and/or get "mad as hell!" We can choose to let ourselves be terrified day-in, day-out. We can swear revenge, hate the "evil doers", blame everyone we can think of, and hide in our "safe room" and hope "it" doesn't get us.

    Or we can accept the fact that, more than likely, nothing's going to happen to us and live our lives accordingly. And that choice...of what we feel and how we respond...is entirely up to us, not them.

    *That's* where our real power lies as this world we've known threatens to come apart at the seams...and we can begin living that way now, today.

    How do we do it? How do we deal with the terror we're feeling and the fear building up inside? A few suggestions:

    1) First, take a deep breath! Why? Because our brain needs all the oxygen it can get to keep us thinking calmly and rationally, but we stop breathing deeply when we're afraid. So take frequent deep breaths to calm yourself and think more clearly. Try it right now...don't you feel better?

    2) Next, remember that F.E.A.R. is an acronym that stands for False Expectations Appearing Real. Which means simply that we make pictures in our mind's eye of the terrible things we expect to happen, and then use those pictures to scare the beejeebies out of ourselves! Want to quit being so afraid? Quit making all those terrifying pictures in your head! Make pictures, instead, of being safe and secure and happy...see things working out, not cratering. Is that being a pollyanna? No, it's being a realist...98% of all those terrible pictures we make up never happen!

    3) Turn off the media. No, not all the time...but strictly limit your TV, radio, newspaper, and internet news input to half an hour a day or less. Why? Easy...it's the media that helps us create the fear pictures in our heads. Trust me, half an hour a day is more than enough to know what's going on. The rest is mostly hype and speculation from talking heads doing their best to scare the snot out of us so we'll keep watching.

    4) Quit worrying. Most of us are addicted to worry, and as silly as it sounds, and as much as we know better, most of us still think worrying about things will make them better. So that's what we do...while the happiness we could have had slips away.

    5) Deal with your emotions and fears. How? Talk them over with a friend. Write about them in a journal. Whatever it takes to get your fears out in the open where you can see them and think about them rationally. Keeping them bottled up inside only keeps the fear building and makes your gut ache. The secret? Realize emotions come in waves...they build up and wash over you, and if you'll just watch them and not fight them, they'll fade away in a minute or two. Try it the next time you feel sad, afraid or panicked... you'll be amazed.

    6) Maintain your normal activities. Keeping busy keeps your mind off the threats of terror.

    7) Take better care of yourself than usual. Regular exercise will relieve a lot of your stress...a brisk walk or an hour at the gym when you feel a "F.E.A.R." attack coming on will do wonders for your levels of peace and happiness.

    8) Get at least 7 hours of sleep a night...tiredness can jerk your fear level off the chart. And while you're at it, cut back on the stimulants by...brace yourself...cutting your caffeine intake in half and dumping the Krispy Kremes and the sugar rush jitters.

    9) Lay in some extra water and food supplies that won't spoil without refrigeration, some batteries for lights and communications, keep your car filled with gas should you need to leave, and have a plan of contact should family members be apart in the event of an attack.

    10) Finally, make sure you stay focused on your dreams.... on what you really want to do with your life. Yea, I know ...hard to do. But you know, if we give up our dreams for duct tape and plastic sheeting and duck and cover...we might as well be dead anyway."
     
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    Re: The \"Real\" Deal about Nuclear, Bio, and Chem Attacks

    Good post John!! I used the teach NBC training classes in the USAF, primarily when I was stationed in South Korea & Turkey. Anyway, I thought this was right on the mark!!
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    Re: The \"Real\" Deal about Nuclear, Bio, and Chem Attacks

    All the bases in my city are to the SE of me, unfortunately, the wind blows from the SE 99% of the time, so my plan for an attack is to drive either to Austin (NW) or to Hondo (W) depending on winds. That's only if I have time to leave. If not, it's just seal up the house and stay in the living room and wait for the good guys to say everthing's ok. We have plenty of provisions just in case and I bought some extra ammo for our Benelli 12 guage and my .357 mag Trooper issue. You can't be too careful. A gallon of drinking water at Wal Mart is $.58, that or just fill up old milk jugs. It sucks I have to do this, but I don't want to be the jackass that has nothing done, ya know? Kinda sucks that I live in a city with the largest medical center in the region and 4 military bases, if you don't include Kelly.
     
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    Re: The \"Real\" Deal about Nuclear, Bio, and Chem Attacks

    Thanks Mark,
    My Nephew in the Air Force emailed it to me and I thought it was at least usefull iffor nothing else a little personal comfort.
    John
     
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    ha that sux ya'll have all those bases and hospitals. corpus has a big ass port that they have like every hummv and crap going on boat to iraq. we also have a base which isn't that big but still a base. the port is our main thing. not that bad but its something. we haven't done anything yet but we always have water and canned foods around. later.

    jacob
     

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