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There was almost a school shooting here today....

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by ChevyCaGal, Mar 21, 2002.

  1. ChevyCaGal

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    <font color=blue> Is this what my daughter can look forward to ?
     
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    Lets hope not.... /forums/images/icons/frown.gif
     
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    <font color=blue> It's too bad that kids have to be fearful to get an education ! It's sickening !
     
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    Ridiculous - the schools are getting worse and worse, with no end in sight/forums/images/icons/frown.gif - Between drugs, violent outbursts, etc. I can't figure out where we've gone wrong. One day last week we transported 2 different 13 YO girls who had taken "Rochas" (Mexican racehorse tranquilizers) and followed them up with 40 ozs of Schlitz and King Cobra, respectively. What drives middle school kids to this? I have noticed that it's not the inner city high schools where things are bad anymore, it's the suburban and outlying middle and elementary schools. Scary as hell/forums/images/icons/mad.gif Sorry for the rant, just glad nothing came of it outside of another "near miss" story.
     
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    Yeah it is scary it's not just the "ghetto" schools anymore.... and from what I know they are saying the kid was driven to do it because it was societies fault, not his. There's another problem. When does it begin being their fault? It's like they know they can do it and play it off.... they need to start making this stuff land serious punishment. When they show these brats they will do the time if they do the crime they might stop and think twice....
     
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    i think they should start giving these punks the death penalty for this crap. If they wanna act like adults, they can pay the price like adults. I know I wasnt a psycho in school... but I'd think twice about making a "hit list" if I knew a short rope and a long drop were going to be my fate.

    J
     
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    I like pizza...
     
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    Hopefully if things like this keep getting out of hand, someday, in the not-too-disatnt-future, we will be able to have our computers "teach" our children AT HOME!!!

    All it would require is a site and log-in via a username and password.

    Something like this would or could guarantee the safety of our children's health and well being.

    Just my opinion running off again. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif
     
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    <font color=blue> I'm just waiting for the day that I can work from home !
     
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    in the local high school here- we had a rash of bomb threats- something like 15 of them in a 6 week period- it wasnt the same person or group every time- but they ended up catching and punishing people for 13 of them. 2 are "unsolved"..however the punishment was being expelled from school for a full year...and 300 hours of community service. well- thats pretty lenient. they didn't want to be in school anyway-- so by kicking them out. it was what they wanted, and 300 hours of community service, when your not in school, works out to 37 1/2 - 8 hour days- so in a month and a half you can have that accomplished...then you have 10 1/2 months to screw off- because you don't have anywhere to go...the punishment MUST fit the crime- you screw around in school- ie. guns, drugs, bomb threats..you end up having school EVERY day with the principal..you are escorted to school via local sheriff- who sits with you while your "learning" and he brings you home, you have an anklet on- you don't leave your house etc... simple ---if that doesnt work, well, I'm not sure what to do....luckily for me and my children, there is not a problem with weapons at school here, YET...however there is a BIG heroin problem. As well as esctasy- they did a "study" of our middle school last year- and the results were sickening- of the 8th graders who answered 33% of them had used a HARD drug in the last 30 days, by hard drug they meant Heroin, coke, NOT POT... now some of them may have lied..but thats still an ALARMING figure- and this is in Vermont, a small town- with 1 stop light...not an inner city. or anything like that.
    pretty damn scary- I hope they can straighten this sh*t out before my 2 are in upper level schools!

    Brandy
     
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    When I was in highschool, one day our class had to go to the library to do research for our paper. A student brought a gun to school and flipped and held it to a teacher's head (while I'm in the library with this stupid ****!) and 'held us hostage' for almost 2 hrs! /forums/images/icons/shocked.gif You want to talk about scared out of your wits!!! They evactuated the school and the police came in and everything. Luckily, nobody was hurt or injured. I've never been so scared and so mad in my life!
     
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    well, with respect to drugs, I think the big problem there is that the hippy generation has no moral leverage over their kids with respect to that particular issue. Even if the kids mom/dad weren't hippys, they come from a generation that is legendary for drug use. Look at the president that generation gave us, Klinton loved his pot and his coke and look where it got him!

    I never even touched (literally) a cigarette until I was 18 and in Cuba... and I didnt even take a drag off it. My parents raised me pretty well I guess. They never even told me WHY i shouldnt do drugs... they just told me not to, and I didn't. At some point I learned that they can negatively affect the brain, and that they cost money. Since capitalism is pretty much my religion, neither one of those is acceptable.

    At any rate, no two of these kids doing hard drugs at a young age is being brought up the same way... so you cant make to many wild generalizations....but it just seems to be that the boo-boos of the hippys hedonism are starting to bite them in the ass. One can only hope that future generations will learn from their mistakes.

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    For the record, the "hippy" generations children are in their 30's and 40's now...

    Equating the problems of today's youth and a particular generation defies logic. The bottom line is personal accountability, parents and kids alike. Blaming something else for your misconduct is just bull$h!t...
     
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    &gt; For the record, the "hippy" generations children are in their
    &gt; 30's and 40's now...

    funny, my parents were in that generation and im no where near 30s-40s...

    in any case, i was speaking to my own school/drug experience anyway, so the current age of said peeps isnt relevant.

    &gt; The bottom line is personal accountability, parents and
    &gt; kids alike.

    we agree here. Personally, Im a big fan of the death penalty for those that distribute drugs, in any quantity. Accountibility may be my middle name. Some 15 yr old kid is selling LSD to his friends? hang 'em.

    &gt; Blaming something else for your misconduct is just
    &gt; bull$h!t...

    i never suggested otherwise, but the fact remains, if some hippy guy trys to give me a lecture about not using recreational drugs, Im going to tell him he's a hypocritical yahoo. Such peeps have no moral ground to stand on... it'd be like taking an ethics class from bin laden.

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    Your parents must have been very young during that time or had you later than the norm. It is also apparent that your interpretation of the "hippy" generation is very loose as far as the actual time frame that history remembers. Anyway...

    Glad we agree on that point [accountability].

    The statement I made concerning blaming others for your actions was not directed towards you personally, rather anyone that uses that excuse. I see where the confusion may have occured. That was an opinionated, global statement of my own construction, although it is accepted by most logical "normal" individuals as being accurate.

    However, just because an individual may project the appearance of being a "hippy", thereby conjuring up visions of drug use, doesn't ensure that they themselves were a drug user. Judging people or dismissing them as "hypocritical" on the basis of appearance is a whole other problem I'll not get into. Perhaps that individual was a drug user, hit rock bottom, lost everything and pulled himself/herself out of the downward spiral. That insight might sway another from the same path.

    Something to consider...

    My apologies, Steph...didn't intend on bootlegging your post!
     
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    we seem to agree then.

    &gt;However, just because an individual may project the
    &gt;appearance of being a "hippy", thereby conjuring up visions
    &gt;of drug use, doesn't ensure that they themselves were
    &gt;a drug user.

    agreed. "real" hippys were actually a small part of the population. When I talk about parents having contradictory things going on with respect to drugs, I was really thinking of the issue with respect to a "kids" perspective. Whether your parents were nutty or not during the 60s doesnt make you being nutty right... but I know I had *plenty* of friends when i was growing up that looked at things that way. "Mom and Dad were pot heads, so why should I listen to them when they tell me not to do it?" That kinda thing. Kids think that way sometimes... and if we assume that they think like rational adults, solving these kinds of problems is that much tougher.

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    'hippy generation' was the 60's correct?
     
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    I see your point. I think, as adults, we forget that a child's perspective is totally different.

    I actually believe that most of these kids today lack the structure and discipline they need to be contributors, rather than "blamers", of society. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: It all starts at home with the values and morals, right and wrong that is (isn't) being taught.

    This is the PRIMARY reason my wife and I decided that it was in the best interest of our boys to stay at home with them. There were other reasons as well, but that was the big one. That way, we at least have some type of control and they are required to be accountable...

    [climbing off my soapbox]...OK, I'm done now!
     
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    Yep.../forums/images/icons/smile.gif
     

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