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This will make the Bush haters mad

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by 4by4bygod, Jun 24, 2006.

  1. 4by4bygod

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    'cause it describes the Klinton administrations failure to do anything about terrorism, specifiaclly the Khobar Towers attack

    It was written by Louis Freeh, former FBI director under Klinton, who IIRC quit after Janet Reno torched those folks in Waco.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1654696/posts
     
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    I hated Clinton just as much as I hate Bush.
     
  3. Can Can

    Can Can Pusher Man Staff Member Super Moderator

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    You didn't like a weak president, and you don't like a strong president. Don't tell me you'd prefer a fence-sitter?

    What's funny about all these discussions is that the President of the day probably has very little to do with the day-to-day decisions that take place at the White House. You guys don't honestly think that he determines policy, both internal and foreign, all by himself, do you? Presidents basically have their policies made for them by an army of advisers and think tanks.

    If you think hating the President is equal with hating the direction a given Administration is taking, think again.
     
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    I agree with you Canman, they are just puppets, there are much deeper powers at play.
     
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    Can Can Pusher Man Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Yep. There are a lot of influential people that have a say in where the country is headed, both in and out of the government.

    Anyhow, I'm curious about your earlier comment. You didn't like Clinton, who was popular but what I would call a weak leader. His biggest accomplishment was getting a BJ from an intern. You don't like Bush, who had no choice but to make some really tough decisions early in his term. Is he a little goofy? Sure.

    SO what, or who, in your eyes, would make a good leader? I'm not looking for a scrap. I'm just curious.....
     
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    I really do not know any more. I am so tired of the infighting, the misinformation and the deception. I would so respect a President that admitted to wrong decisions and mistakes. Finger pointing in Congress makes the whole country look bad. Honesty, sympathy and a whole lot more humanitarian effort would go a long way to sway the rest of the world of our ideology.

    I want someone who will take care of the country. Priority number one in my opinion, yes countering terrorism is a big part of that, but it is all the little things that could be done.

    I have not a clue who would make me happy as President.

    What do I know, I voted for my last Governor who was a WWF star.
     
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    I would have voted for him if I could...............................

    Only if we could bring back a man name Theodore........................
     
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    We (I more importantly, IMO) would feel a great leader would be one like Michael Douglas played in American President. :bow:
     
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    jekbrown I am CK5 Premium Member GMOTM Winner Author

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    politics will always be that way... so its hard to blame them for it. Hell, Brutus literally stabbed Ceasar in the back right? One of our Presidents died in a duel after he left office. Things are pretty tame these days by comparison. Even the most wild-eyed Murtha/Kerry/Kennedy attack is pretty weak.

    You must like Repubs then... they are the only American party that ever admits to a mistake. Democrats/Liberals/Socialists/Communists, in their own eyes, don't make mistakes... and if you blame something on them they merely turn their attack-dog propaganda/media allies loose on you until you wish you had never even dared speak up against them. All the while they sing the praises of the freedom of speech!

    Not really. You think they don't debate "vigorously" in other nations parliment? Been several full-on fist fights in Russia. Even the mild-mannered limeys love to yell at each other in their parliment. What we do is no different. It is more embarassing when you have an idiot like Murtha or Reid or Chucky Schumer on TV... because then the rest of the world knows that we elected someone who is a moron and it therefore reflects poorly on us. Other than that, its all good.

    The American people are the most generous people in the history of man-kind when it comes to aiding other people. Anyone who doesn't recognize that fact probably isn't worth helping or just outright hates us. The idea that giving even more will somehow make everyone love us is a joke. We helped Muslims, for example, in etheopia, somalia, Yugoslavia, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and several other places too.... does the average arab muslim guy love us now? No. If we gave even more would he? No.

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    I think most all of our politicians (save very few) are corrupt (both Democrat and Republican). How do you explain almost all of them increasing their personal financial worth by Tens or Hunreds of Millions of dollars during their terms, while only making less than $200,000 a year.

    The only constituant they serve is big business. This is evident in the current immigration issue. Anybody that thinks that either the Democrat or Republican party cares about you is a fool.
     
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    if you're smart you don't want the government to care about you. Head down that road and you end up like the USSR. I'd much prefer an indifferent or tiny-to-the-point-where-it-can't-afford-to-care government. :thumb:

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    I guess there is always some way to spin things so you can either agree or disagree with someone’s point of view.

    I just think that anybody that advocates any Democrat or Republican parties elected officials or nominees is a fool. Both of these parties have been actively selling the average American down the road for years now. Both parties supported handing over control of American ports to foreign enities, they have both given control of our voting machines and software to foreign entities, they are both supporting control of America's airports to foreign entities right now, and they are both in support of not enforcing current immigration law. Yet they both claim to be in favor of securing America from terrorist attacks. The list goes on and on. Why is that people cannot (or refuse) to open their eyes to the massive corruption, which is going on in American politics. From Dick Cheney's no-bid contracts with Halliburton, to the multi-Million Dollar mansions and vacation homes that Senator Dianne Feinstein has managed to purchase, while only making on average $150,000 a year.
     
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    Most people don't want to see this things , it's so much easer to say my side is right and your side is wrong . If one president did it , is it anymore right for the next guy to do it? Two wrongs done make a right.
     
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    AFAIK, Finstein is married to a guy who has very large stock holdings in defense contractors. He doesn't need kick backs, though I wouldn't be surprised if she was getting some.

    While us people making not-much-per-hour may sometimes come to the conclusion that big biz giving money to politicians is "bad", it isn't really our place to make such a judgement. Buisnesses are responsible to their customers and their shareholders. If the share holders don't want $1,000,000 to go to Fienstein, they can ****-can whomever thought that was a good idea.

    Additionally, whether it be an individual or business, its none of our biz who people give their money to so long as its in the open and reported. If I was a billionaire, who are you to tell me who I can and can't give my money to or what I spend it on? Its called freedom... and you not liking where people spend their money is proof that we live in a free society. Hippie pot smokers in downtown Portland hate that I spend my $ at Walmart... well, to bad.. I'm a free person and I can buy goods where ever I choose.

    Blanket cynicism is no better than infinite ignorance. Personally, I think that anyone that makes massive generalizations is a "fool".. but hey, its all good. There are demos that are ass hats... there are repubs that are ass hats. There are people with no party affiliation that are ass hats. I agree that the "moderate" repubs make some crappy decisions when they side with the socialists on the other side of the aisle, but that doesn't mean that all of us are screwed up and are corrupt. I'm part of the "vast right-wing conspiracy" and I haven't got a single kick back from a big corporation yet! Not only that, but I think the army should man the boarder with warn-then-shoot-to-kill orders. There are Repubs in DC that agree. George Allan from Va is a good one... hopefully he'll win the nomination.

    As far as the no-bid contracts thing that took place around the start of OIF, I don't see what all the fuss is about. Exactly how many American companies have the kind of logistics network that was necessary at the time ready to go? We needed the people/stuff that Halliburton brought ASAP... and if there is another company that was ready to roll when the bombs dropped, I'd like to hear who it was. Halliburton had a small army of guys/gear/knowledge ready to go so they got the deal. Would you feel better about the situation if they had spent a while bidding and then some other contractor got the bid and took longer to get the ball rolling? I understand that government contracts are supposed to have a bidding process etc... but time-of-war things are different. If something doesn't get done right and on-time, some of our boys are gonna get killed.

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    What I said stands. I have already long been aware every one of your arguments from Fienstiens rich husband to Halliburton supposedly being the only company capable of carrying out a Government contract, and the googled (search engine) rationalizations you came up with, which attempt to hide real truth about these people, does not wash with me.
     
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    Well put Jekbrown, especially the part about small government. I am sick and tired of guilty liberals who feel the need to spend my money on causes they deem worthy just to appease their own consciences too.
     
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    How about one that doesn't lie to protect his own image or let others lie for the same purpose. One that ignores politicos and is simply concerned with the well being of his countrymen. One that will sacrifice for others instead of expecting people to fall in line behind him just because he's President, earning respect instead of demanding it. One that will overlook political devides instead of exploting them for polical gain.

    I'd say Reagan came closest to my standard out of all the Presidents I've seen in my lifetime. At least he could work with the opposition and didn't hold personal grudges.

    We live in an age of extremism in my opinion, people don't listen anymore they just go for the quick idealogical kill.
     
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    I would say a person such as Lou Dobbs would be leader, which was true and honest to America as a sovereign nation "of the people, by the people, and for the people"; and not as a one world economical cartel for the rich.
     
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    HEY LOOK! a politics thread.



    wheres that 10-foot pole at
     
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    That's why I linked the article.. I thought it was interesting that a former president would help the FBI director working for the guy who defeated him, for the greater good of the country.

    Reagan didn't have much of a choice BUT to work with democrats, 'cause they ran both houses of congress. I'm sure his acting ability helped him get along with them, as I recall, he was as villified by the dems and the media as bush is now.


    Personally, I'm ok with extremism.. I want to know what side everyone is on..Show me a 'moderate' politician, and i'll show you a guy whose position changes with public opinion, and that's not leadership. That's why senators generally make lousy presidents.. they're too busy making sure everyone likes them instead of following a course of action..

    If the minority party ( currently democrats) wants to have their views listened to and acted on, they need to win elections..

    it's funny how much the republicans have given the dems, so they can appease the media and not be called names.. Bush senior agrees to raise certain taxes in exchange for the democrat - controlled congress's promise to cut spending in other areas, and suprise, the dems dont cut anything, and go on TV talking about how bush is a tax raising liar.. ted kennedy wrote the 'no child left behind' law, bush signs it,then kennedy, kerry, and the others go on tv to say how bush has failed our children.. bush tells congress to fix social security ( something democrats have said they wanted), then kennedy is on TV saying how bush wants grandma to exist on tender vittles..

    It's not like bush hasn't tried to reach across the aisle.. Personally, I think that's his one weakness.. the opposition can't be trusted..

    Politics isn't about working together to solve problems., it's about enacting an agenda, in order to solve problems..

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