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Todd Bertrang imprisoned for 5 years....

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by sled_dog, Jun 11, 2005.

  1. sled_dog

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    I doubt any of you remember but I posted about this guy when this crap started. Here is a new article talking about the whole situation and how he has been given 5 years in prison. It angers me heavily as a person interested in body modification. I understand why the FBI I had to investigate(the laws are just that way) but the things that Todd and his girlfriend went down for are such crap. Any of you parents, do you havee pictures of your child without clothes on? If any of you don't have a tub picture or a bathing suit picture I'll be amazed. If you do, you have child porn :surepal:

    Subject isn't work appropriate and there is a picture of Robyn's clitoral modification. I hate the idea of someone being entraped, and the idea of the government regulating what I can do to myself. Scary thought that I could be locked up some day for a different way of thinking, without a trial and all.

    BME Article

    Comment as you see fit, but if you are just going to blast me with some crap about body modification or something, keep it to yourself.
     
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    It's a sad straightline country, deviate if you want, but you better deviate in the standard way

    So much outcry about female circumcision, and none about male. Jewish religious mutilation ok, tribal/other not. What is standard is ok, what isn't is not. Some things are justifiably no0t ok, some are misunderstood.

    I'm against both

    As for child pornography, go buy a Jock Sturges book off Amazon, hypocrosy
     
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    Reminds me of when I was in Jr. High (this is going somewhere) We were talking about the first time M.Jackson was accused of "rear ending" a kid. Our history teacher asked us if we would tell someone. (kinda weird now that I think of it) and what would we do if we were offered $25,000,000. I raised my hand and she called on me. (not a good idea to begin with) So proudly, I stood up and said "BEND OVER"
     
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    This was a totally slanted article and I would like to hear the other sides point of view before I could render a qaulifoed opinion,,,

    one thing is sure.... if you live way outside the lines you attract attention to yourself... and with that attention things can happen

    he is an ex felon.... and for me that makes him a dirtbag in the first degree

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    I can't remember what he went down for before. I used to know. Agreed that hurts the entire situation, the idea he didn't know he can't have a gun sounds pretty stupid.

    RJ, I totally agree. If I have any boys(children even) they will not be circumcised. The acceptance of the practice in modern times highly disturbs me. They idea that doctors are telling parents on a daily basis, "you should cut your son's foreskin off, don't worry about letting him make the decision". I had it when I was born, I wish my parents left it up to me, though I would have made the same choice. I encouraged Tshy to think about female circumcision. FGM and Circumcision are certainly two very different things.

    CamsK5, I know the article is skewed, but the the nature of the incident I don't think you will ever hear of it from the other side. Its one of those things they just want to disappear I think.
     
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    I agree, very slanted article.

    I'm very skeptical about the factual accuracy of the article. Local law enforcement would investigate a california violation, before the FBI "had no choice".

    The authors gun justification also severely tinges the entire thing for me. Anyone who doesn't think it's prudent to research local gun laws before buying a gun has their head in the sand or is clearly brand new to america. A guy in a controversial trade should be extra vigilant. So he's either a criminal or an idiot.


    Circumcision is supposed to be healthier. I know it's rooted in judaism/religious practice, but now it's more of a medical practice than customary or traditional, and primarily done for non-religious reasons. When my son was born and we looked into the subject, there was no mention by any doctor of religion or tradition, and my wife and I weren't at all religious at that time, so were not considering it for any reasons other then medical. Some may view it as a symbolic body mod or religious statement and form an opinion of it because of that perception, but it's actually a medical procedure meant to improve/maintain the individuals future health.
     
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    Eh, I think that FGM would fall under the FBI because of its internationally reaching nature. Its meant to stop the immigrants who practiced this act in their home from doing it here. No offense to the local popos here but how many of you have any idea about FGM let alone experience with it or investigating it? To 98% of people in America, FGM means removal of the clitoris, this is only done by some groups. I'd bet the FBI has at least a few specialized folks who know a lot about the subject and the peoples that practice it.

    Previous articles were a little less skewed, I guess all of the events have worn on Shannon and he just couldn't take it anymore.
     
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    From what I understand, proper hygene and safe sexual practices eliminates all advantages of circumcision, both of which should be done anyway.

    Of course then it comes down to aesthetics
     

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