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"Veterans Should Politically Banish Kerry for Disgracing..."

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  1. jarheadk5

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    \"Veterans Should Politically Banish Kerry for Disgracing...\"

    Found this on www.mensnewsdaily.com. I know it's 6 months old, but it's news to me... and maybe you too!



    Veterans Should Politically Banish Kerry for Disgracing The Marine Corps Memorial
    - Major Richard G. ("Rick") Erickson, USMCR
    January 26, 2004


    On the cover of The New Soldier by John Kerry and Vietnam Veterans Against The War, hippies clad in a mismatch of military uniforms are pictured mocking the legendary image of Marines raising the American flag atop Mount Suribachi in the 1945 battle for Iwo Jima. Today, the Iwo Jima image is a memorial statue that sits above Arlington National Cemetery and honors all Marines killed in action since 1775. It is one of the most recognized and visited sites in our Capitol City.

    The New Soldier never made it on the reading list at our military academies. In the cover photo that ridicules the Marine Corps Memorial, one of Kerry’s cronies is tugging on our flag, which is hung upside down as the ultimate symbol of sedition and treachery to all veterans who rallied behind our flag in battle. On the day of that shameful photograph and with its mass circulation on the cover of The New Soldier, at least 6,821 Marines who died at Iwo Jima turned over in their graves.

    Of all the reasons why John F. Kerry will not become President of the United States, the biggest reason has to be that, once he returned home from Vietnam, he betrayed his fellow servicemen who remained at war. Kerry not only allied with the likes of Hanoi Jane Fonda, but, before the United States Senate in 1971, Kerry went as far as to belittle the bravery of embattled troops by generalizing their every action in Vietnam as an atrocity.

    No one questioned General George S. Patton, III, when he accused Kerry of treason in giving aid and comfort to the enemy, especially when it was revealed that North Vietnam incorporated Kerry’s exploits into its communist propaganda machine. However, because of the prevalence of treason at the time and the monumental task of prosecuting Kerry and his proclaimed “revolutionaries,” Kerry’s actions went unpunished and the associated advances of communism went unhindered.

    Fortunately, today’s veterans and Americans who overwhelmingly support our armed forces tend to disparage those who dishonor military service and then pretend to be capable of our country’s highest office. This political reality afflicted Bill Clinton, whose anti-military past kept him from winning any more than forty-nine percent of the popular vote. No wonder Kerry’s presidential campaign is doing its best to subvert his estrangement from veterans and service people in general.

    The tact of "Kerry for President" looks a lot like Clinton-Gore’s approach to deceiving voters that such an obvious liability is really the opposite. When Kerry marched in the Veteran’s Day parade in Phoenix last year, in tow behind him were a few people carrying “Veterans for Kerry” placards. Some placard carriers looked like the ragtag types on the cover of The New Solider in that they were unshaven, wearing circa 1971 clothes and appeared disoriented.

    The ongoing insult is that “Veterans for Kerry” is supposed to represent the veteran community’s support of Kerry, when the reality is that very few veterans support him. Most veterans cannot forgive Kerry for "Vietnam Veterans Against The War" and its promotion of communism when we were fighting communists. As far as U.S. Marines are concerned, we ought to ensure that Kerry is forever banished from the White House for dishonoring our Memorial on the cover of The New Soldier.

    - Rick Erickson writes as Director of Americans for Military Readiness, a non-profit organization devoted to troop morale and combat preparedness. He is a Major and judge advocate in the Marine Corps (Reserves) and, on active duty, led an infantry platoon with the Fifth Marine Regiment, First Marine Division.
     
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    Re: \"Veterans Should Politically Banish Kerry for Disgracing...\"

    Nice sig quote...and now I know where you got it /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif
     
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    Re: \"Veterans Should Politically Banish Kerry for Disgracing...\"

    Thanks!
    I tried using the whole quote, but the character limit kept getting in the way.
     
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    Re: \"Veterans Should Politically Banish Kerry for Disgracing...\"

    I think there was a lot of people that think the Vietnam War was not worth fighting, even if the most Hawkish will not admit to it publicly. If you look back at WWII many sons of the wealthy served bravely because they believed in what they where fighting for, but when it came to Vietnam, most of the sons of the wealthy, or even well to do, did not.

    I have a Grandfather that was a Paratrooper in an Airborne Glider Division in WWII who fought at the Battle of Bulge, another Grandfather that was a pilot on the U.S.S Hornet in the Pacific Theater, and another Great Uncle that was a B-47 pilot over Germany in the European theater. When my mother's younger brother (i.e. my uncle) was drafted in 1965, before College deferments, My Grandfather, who was a Paratrooper in WWII, went to my Fathers side of the family for help. My Great Uncle, who was a full-bird Colonel in the Air Force, went to an Air Force Reserve recruiter he knew, and paid him a $2000 bribe (a lot of money in 1965) to put my uncle on the recruit list, which saved him from doing a tour of duty in Vietnam.

    I think this story tells you how many felt about Vietnam. All of my family that fought in WWII, and where even career military, went out of their way to get my Uncle out of service because they did not truly believe in the Vietnam war, even though they would never admit it publicly.

    I think this is also proven by the fact that George Bush Sr. flew Corsairs off the deck of the Enterprise Air Craft Carrier during WWII, which was a very dangerous job in WWII, but when it came to George Jr, George Sr. used his connections to get him out of serving a tour of duty. I think if the Vietnam War had been worth fighting, George Jr. probably would have done a tour of duty gladly.

    Lest you think my family did not serve in Vietnam, my Father was killed in Vietnam in 1967.
     
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    Re: \"Veterans Should Politically Banish Kerry for Disgracing...\"

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    George Bush Sr. flew Corsairs

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    Actually he flew the Grumman TBM "Avenger", but I'm nit-picking there.


    I'm not clear on what your post means with respect to my original post - I understand your post and your point; just not how it applies to this thread...

    I personally think one of the reasons for U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War was to attempt to slow (or stop) the spread of Communism and the Soviet empire. Whether this was a valid-enough reason to sacrifice 58,000+ American lives is debatable, and I don't know enough about the subject to debate it intelligently, so I won't.
    I DO know that my uncle is proud to have served his tour in Vietnam, even though his exposure to Agent Orange is causing him health problems.
    I know that my Realtor is proud to have served his tour in Vietnam, even though he came home with only one eye after volunteering for one-too-many night patrols.
    I know another of my uncles joined the Air National Guard because he didn't want to go to Vietnam, and ended up serving over 20 years.
     
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    Re: \"Veterans Should Politically Banish Kerry for Disgracing...\"

    I’m not entirely sure what this post was getting at either but I think the following editorial entitled, 'Bush and I were lieutenants' is a worthwhile read.

    http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20040210-082910-8424r.htm

    In particular it mentions a program called, “Palace Alert” which apparently sent Air National Guard F-102 pilots to Europe and Southeast Asia for duty. George W. Bush inquired about the program but was told he was unqualified since he lacked the required 500 hours or flight experience. So it would appear that Bush didn’t try to avoid Vietnam altogether.
     
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    Re: \"Veterans Should Politically Banish Kerry for Disgracing...\"

    The point I was trying to make is that Kerry was very open about (maybe too open) showing his distaste for the Vietnam War, and others, who you would think would be very "gung ho", disguised there apathy for the Vietnam war by getting their sons out of a tour of duty in "nam".

    I am not trying to be a Kerry supporter. I have no plans on voting for him.

    That's interesting that George Sr. flew a Grumman TBM "Avenger". I could have sworn when I was watching a Discovery Channel documentary on Air Craft Carriers, they said George Sr. flew a Corsair. Oh well, "that's just in the details".

    America did stop Communism in Korea, that is why the 38th Parallel exists, but it did not work in Vietnam.
     
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    Re: \"Veterans Should Politically Banish Kerry for Disgracing...\"

    speaking of nitpicking... neither GHWB or GWB are "juniors" or "seniors"... they have different names (note the different number of letters in the abbreviation). On the other hand, Albert Gore Jr. IS a Junior... so feel free to stop using "sr" and "jr" with respect to the Bush's (unless you mean prescot) and move on! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

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    Re: \"Veterans Should Politically Banish Kerry for Disgracing...\"

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    Kerry was very open about (maybe too open) showing his distaste for the Vietnam War

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    If he was still in the Navy at the time(s) he showed this "distaste", then he could (and should) have been disciplined. One of the freedoms servicemembers give up while in the Armed Forces is the right to bash current senior gov't officials and current gov't policy in public forums. This means, then as now, that Lieutenant So-and-so can't attend war protests and talk about how "wrong" the war is. Whether the war actually IS right or wrong, current servicemembers are not permitted to bad-mouth policy.
    Look at the brief stink that was raised last year when a few soldiers from the 1st Division complained when their tours in Iraq were extended the first time. It made the national media for a couple days, then you didn't hear about it anymore. Why? Because the soldiers probably got their nuts stomped for criticizing gov't policy to the media.

    I know for certain GHWB flew Avengers at the time of his shoot-down and submarine rescue. Whether he flew Corsairs before or after that, I don't know. So we may both be right on that one. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     

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