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War and Men

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Bubba Ray Boudreaux, Mar 5, 2003.

  1. Bubba Ray Boudreaux

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    War and Men

    by Jesse Ogden

    No matter where you go, no matter what you do, they'll be there. You'll
    find them in your schools, in your offices, on the radio, on television, in
    all the media, and sometimes in your own home. They talk very loud and
    very ferociously, leaving no chance for civilized debate. They're blind
    statist sheep.

    In times of war, they'll support any war, no matter how unjust, no matter
    how much murder there is, they will always support the war, because that is
    what they have been conditioned to do. Many of them have never had
    military experience, and yet they act as though they know war more
    intimately than those who fought it. Those who have never fought but
    oppose war keep to heart the warnings of Major General Smedley Butler ("War
    is a racket!"), General Tecumseh Sherman ("There is many a boy here today
    who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all hell. You can bear
    this warning voice to generations yet to come. I look upon war with
    horror."), they are the people who refuse to listen to what Zinni and
    Scwarzkopf have said about this new state-sanctioned mass murder, they are
    the people who will not listen to what the Vietnam vets say about the war,
    the ones who will not hide behind the patriotism and will tell you exactly
    what war really is, the ones that everyone tries to silence because they
    themselves are afraid of facts.

    Go to a government educational facility--public schools as they are more
    affectionately called--and take one hard look at the students who have
    chosen to fall in line and support war. Look into their eyes and you'll
    see two things: the desire to be on those front lines, to be fighting for
    God, for country, for freedom, and for glory, but the other thing you will
    find is fear. That fear they will always try to suppress, always try to
    destroy, but it's always there, and if you listen to the Vietnam vets who
    recount their tales of hell in the foliage, you see that fear too, that
    fear of the capabilities of people to senselessly murder one another, the
    capability of a few men hiding in a city who have the power to send many
    off to die and to shoot someone they don't even know, who has no personal
    quarrel with them. It's this fear that everything they've been told,
    everything that they learned about not listening to those against war, is a
    lie.

    And if you continue to walk in that facility, go to the ROTC, and look into
    those eyes. They are the future military of this country. But as you look
    into their eyes, you will undoubtedly wonder which of them will move on up
    through the system to cushy military jobs where they get to tell everyone
    what to do, and which of them will be sent to another country as a
    frontline living shield for the lucky soldiers in back and will be sent
    back home in a comfortable casket, or better yet, in one of many black body
    bags.

    And it's not just the ROTC kids returning home in body bags that you'll
    wonder about, you'll wonder about the whole school as well. You'll look
    around, and wonder how many of these kids, whose lives are only beginning,
    will be duped into military service for "the common good" and for
    nationalism. How many fathers, brothers, sons, uncles, nephews, grandsons,
    and now, daughters, will be lost? You would not be the only one who felt
    sick if you were disgusted by this wastefulness of life, as you wonder
    which ones walking in the school would have the chance for life and who
    would not.

    Most people will oppose the war because they don't see it as one of "our"
    necessary objectives or maybe for moral reasons, but there are some who
    oppose it because they see it as only benefiting the state and the status
    quo, and they are the closest of all. People just will not see the state
    for what it is, a liar and a murderer. They have grown to use to what
    Orwell called Big Brother, what Washington called "a dangerous servant and
    a fearful master." They have grown attached to the institutions that
    allow men to slaughter one another in the name of whatever reasons they
    invent, who will mass murder groups of people for various reasons. They
    will support the downfall of one brutal regime while supporting a different
    brutal regime, unaware that their own home is no longer the same as what it
    once was.

    These people who call for war, they will often call for it in the defense
    of freedom. But they are foolish; no war has ever been fought for freedom.
    Wars have been fought for independence, for self-government, for real
    self-defense, but no war has ever been truly fought for freedom. These
    wars for freedom have achieved only one thing, to destroy one evil and prop
    up a new evil. And many times, the new evil is a far worse evil than the
    old evil. Look at the wars in a broad scope, you will see that when
    success seems to be imminent, their efforts turn out be for naught, as
    things get worse than ever before.

    War is not simply a product of men with evil hearts, it is also a product
    of men who have weak hearts, who do not have the courage to stand up
    against everyone and say “no.” Any man who simply goes along with things
    and does as he's told, if what he has consented himself to is evil, then he
    himself is also evil and a coward.

    The duty of all individuals is clear then; let no man, let no individual,
    force yourself to consent to something that you know is truly evil. Let no
    man who understands the devastation and uselessness in state-sanctioned
    murder be subject to conforming with those who accept it. They who know
    that what the state does is tyranny and injustice, and that the wars that
    men fight will always be in the benefit of those who have the power to
    benefit from it, must do everything in their power to resist. If they do
    not resist, then who will?


    March 4, 2003


    Jesse Ogden is a high school student in Michigan. He does not support the
    government in any way, nor does he support the students that support the
    government in any way.
     
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    Someone needs to slap him. /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
     
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    No...I applaud this It's good to see a young mind thinking! But sometimes these young puppies forget the world is a BAD PLACE! They forget or never knew, that people are CHOOSING to be evil because that's the only way to get ahead in their world! They don't REALISE that somebody like A Sadaam killed their teacher when they were 11 yrs. old and their dad was proud. They don't realise that Sadaam once asked for honest opinions, and when one adviser was foolish enough to suggest he abdicate, thanked him warmly, and then had him chopped to peices, thrown in a basket, and sent to his wife and children. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
     
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    Dude...get over yourself....the FACT is, the US is the most important thing in the world. Get OVER it. These times right now will either define or destroy the world.
     
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    I went back and read it again to see if I misunderstood it first time and still cannot agree with him.I understand him to be saying our troops are too stupid and cowardly to know what is right or wrong and just want to kill things.If they were'nt over there this stuff would be in our country more than it is.While I don't like the idea of another war,not supporting our troops is the same as supporting the terrorists. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif
     
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    For the most part, I do agree with him.

    I will support a just war...but not an unjust war....
     
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    Please define "just war" and "unjust war".
     
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    What the Hell does a High School student know about the rest of the world!!!! (No offense to the youngster's here)

    "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence
    on their behalf."-GEORGE ORWELL

    John
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    [ QUOTE ]
    Please define "just war" and "unjust war".

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    Just War... The war you fought and won.

    Unjust War... The war you fought and lost...
     
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    Skulz...I'm making myself a sticker on the computer at work of that Orwell quote and putting it on the back of my "ahem" Grand Cherokee!! (daily driver) /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif Just wrote it down on back of 4-wheeler subscription thingy. LOL! /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif
     

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