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war or peace poll

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by arq, Mar 15, 2003.

  1. arq

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    Polls are a tool that can be manipulated anyway the author of the poll desires. With this poll, what are you exactly asking? Yes, I know, but you should really include what your poll pertains to. I don't think that one person here wants to go to war, I don't; but I do advocate going to war if the national security of the United Staes of America is threatened or if one of our allies asks for our assistance when dealing with a problem, i.e. Desert Storm.

    Peace would be great, but unfortunately we are dealing with a human being who has no possession of compassion and respect for anyone outside of his inner circle. This person also wishes to be the biggest, baddest man on the block and has ignored throughout a decade 17 directives to disarm. War is inevitable and unfortunately, this is the only answer to rid the area of a disease who inflicts his area of the world.

    Furthermore, why should we listen to what some of the world really has to say about our intentions? France has been the biggest hypocrite in the whole process. First off, they are in financial cahoots with Saddam, from oil they are buying to the weapons technology they are selling to Saddam. Furthermore, something that I haven't seen brought up about France is the fact that they currently have some military forces running around Western Africa trying to quell the fighting there. No one is saying anything about this, of course we have no stake in this area of the world and the people fighting are just worthless fawkchops who are totally brutal in their methods. I would venture to say that the French government are being hypocritical.

    Then there is Russia. Ain't they still got the Chechnya problem? Nobody's really gave them any grief about it; they are fighting Muslims, yet the Muslims hate us? Hmmmm.

    Germany is yet another country that has a financial interest in Iraq. Hmmmmm.

    Then there is China. Just reported on the radio the other day that the government was sending in military units to one of the central regions to go whup up on some Muslim separatists. They have occupied Tibet for years and let us not forget Tianamen Square.

    Let us not listen to the hypocrites of the world and forge ahead in our quest to stay amongst the heap of garbage of the world and do what's right for America.
     
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    I"m assuming this is in response to the iraq thing, well with all the threats from outside sources I think we just need to line the whole country over there with nukes, very quietly of course. The detonate them all at once, just wipe it off the planet. But of course since it was done quietly the US had no involvement. hehe
    the claim the land as " NEW TEXAS"
     
  4. arq

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    in that case let me be more specific. if you want to kick some of saddams a** select war, if not select peace.

    i tried to make the poll as generic and unbaised as possible. if i would of put down;
    1) who wants to go to war with saddam, i am sure the poll would of been baised and WAR would of been selected more offten.

    OR

    2) who want to go to war with saddams army, whom many are in their early teens and forced to fight.
    this would of been baised towards the peace side.

    to tell you the truth, i thik saddam is scared. if he gives up his power(more like protection) he's history. i am sure many people want him dead. if he stays and fights, his history, USA forces will kill him. either way he's a dead man. then again if he buys time and semi complies, maybe we'll get off his back.

    ARQ.
     
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    I knew what you meant arg. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     
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    Acually I'm for peace.I truly hope we we could win this thing without firing a shot.
    But sometimes you just gotta do what needs to be done and that wanna be Hitler in Iraq needs to go.
    But whatever happens I trust Bush.

    My Wife's bosses son entered an Essay contest sponsered by The Veterans of Foreign Wars.
    He wrote an excelent essay and won State and Regional honors.
    He went to Wash DC for the National thing and got to Meet President Bush.
    President Bush made the usual small talk and gave words of encouragement. But before the Boys and Girls left he asked them all to pray for him. Because he needed Gods help in making the right decicions.
    There were no cameras or reporters around.It was no staged event. It was just him and some kids in the Whitehouse.
    I think is is great we have a president that acually truely trusts in God.
    Rember the Bibiclal Jericho thing where the walls came tumbling down?
    A war won without firing a shot
    Bibiclal war stories.
    If God is in control, His will will be done. We will prevail. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     
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    Assuming this is about Iraq. War is going to happen. We have way too much manpower and equipment over there to belive it won't. We've spent too much on this operation to back down now. It's just a matter of time, and I belive it will begin with in the next 30 days !!!! I don't think the war will last long. Maybe a week or 2 of real war, then 6 months to a year mopping up any rezistence after the real war was over. One thing I belive will happen, is that Saddam will be outta there !!!!!
     
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    I'm for peace!

    But sometimes you gotta stand up and fight and this is one of those times. I'm grateful for guys like Ronald Regan who made a point of building our military into the greatest fighting force on earth so we have the ability to stop these fools from killing us.

    I just hope we can take care of business and get ALL our troops home quickly.


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    So I guess I could vote for either one.
     
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    For some odd reason, I voted for peace. I think it's great we are makeing Saddam wear Depends full time. He been f***ing with us since the Chinton Administration. However, I don't feel the U,S, has solid proof to link 911 to Iraq. Of course, we are at war and the government does not need to provide all the needed infomation for security reasons. No, let me rethink that. There are plenty of other reasons to bomb Iraq because Saddam has broken quite a few UN resolutions after the Gulf War. His unwillingness to comply is reason enough to go to war. Every time the inspectors find some thing amiss, We force Iraq the destroy what ever weapons that may be. What will happen if we find what we are really looking for? Will the UN slap Saddan's hand and make him destroy his prize? Or will the UN let us get the job done? My final point is why I voted for peace is not because I'm against war, It's because the world won't let us go to war.
     
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    I don't feel the U,S, has solid proof to link 911 to Iraq

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    This is just like saying there wasn't enough proof to convict OJ Simpson. The proof is irrefutible, but the world, like the OJ jury is choosing to ignore the facts. When has the "world" opinion ever been on the right side of history in the beginning of any event? I am against war, of course, but we have no other choice and I trust Bush. /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif
     
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    I voted war cause I'll see ya'll when I get back from it!!!! It will happen, can't say when, but soon....... It is the only way to resolve the situation with such a meglomaniac Feend! Like I said before, We Will Provail.... For all those peace loving tree huggers in the world(Nobody Here), I think ya'll need to READ the words to "Have You Forgotten!" This battle isn't just about Sedam, or just about 911, it's about America's need to stand up for what we believe in and protect ourselves once and for all! This war represents what this nation has been supporting ever since WWI, Democracy and the right way of life.... Only this time, it's our battle and nobody else wants to stick a hand out to help... Stories change when the sh*t is on the other end of the stick! /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gif
     
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    It is but it's a honor system /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
     
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    Well that doesn't make any sense to me at all...
     
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    the claim the land as " NEW TEXAS"

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    I love hearing that from people that never watched the trial.
    I agree it is just like the OJ trial.
    absolutely no proof, and in fact to the contrary much evidence that points to innocence.

    Bush is the biggest threat to the world right now bar none.
    if you under the blinding umbrella of the US media cannot see this I am sorry, but perhaps the complete lack of support from EVERYONE else in the world including your largest trading partner and all of your traditional allies could be used as a hint as to the 'Right thing to do'.

    'peace through invading a third world country' is the epitomy of hypocrisy.

    I do like the news that US gave a nod of approval to Iraq to invade Kuwait.
    http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/glaspie.html
    wish I had more time to follow that.

    1991 Gulf War Facts:

    Satellite Photos a Lie

    The US Government lied about an imminent invasion of Saudi Arabia by Iraq to justify the 1st Gulf War. General Norman Schwarzkopf tells about it in his book, "It Takes A Hero." The Bush Administration claimed Satellite photos showed 260,000 troops & 1,500 tanks were on the Saudi border. There were none.

    Powell Admits Wrong

    Powell admitted the "numbers were wrong". There was no imminent invasion of Saudi Arabia by Iraq.

    Baby Murders Faked

    The Kuwait Ambassador's daughter, coached by a Washington PR firm for $2 million, lied to US Congress, the UN, and the American people about the infamous "Incubator Baby" murders. Please go to this webpage to read the story behind the headlines above by the Guardian Unlimited Newspaper: http://www.walden3.org/No_casus_belli_Invent_one!.htm

    US OK'd Kuwait Invasion

    April Glaspie of the US State Department told Saddam, "I have a direct instruction from the President to seek better relations with Iraq... But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait."
    Please go to the web page below to see the story:
    http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/glaspie.html

    Iraqi Poison Gas Use Not Proven

    "There were never any victims produced. International relief organizations who examined the Kurds -- in Turkey where they had gone for asylum -- failed to discover any. Nor were there ever any found inside Iraq."
    Please go to the web page below to see the story:
    http://www.polyconomics.com/searchbase/04-07-98.html

    2003 Gulf War Facts:

    Iraq Uranium Purchase A Lie

    " 'The IAEA has concluded ... that these documents, which formed the basis for the reports of recent uranium transactions between Iraq and Niger, are in fact not authentic,' El Baradei told the U.N. Security Council. Britain and the United States have alleged that Iraq had tried to revive an ambitious atomic weapons program that was neutralized by the United Nations before inspectors left in December 1998."
    Please go to this webpage to see the story:
    http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=2346364

    No "Poison Factory"

    Powell testified to the UN that there was a "Poison Factory" in northern Iraq. Foreign Journalists were invited in two days later and found nothing, not even aspirin.
    Please go to this web page to see the story:
    http://www.observer.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12239,892112,00.html

    Iraqi Reactor Parts Evidence Faked

    "A key piece of evidence linking Iraq to a nuclear weapons program appears to have been fabricated, the United Nations' chief nuclear inspector said yesterday in a report that called into question U.S. and British claims about Iraq's secret nuclear ambitions."
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59403-2003Mar7.html

    War Will Increase Terrorism - CIA

    George Tenet of the CIA testified to Congress that attacking Iraq would greatly increase the chance of terrorism and Saddam unleashing any weapons of mass destruction he might have.
    Please go to this webpage to see the story:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2315967.stm

    Wall Street: Casualty of War

    Alan Greenspan and practically all economists have stated that
    the imminent war is causing the current crash on Wall Street.
    http://story.news.yahoo
    http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/030310/economy_bluechip_1.html

    Vatican: War Immoral, Not Legal

    The Pope, through Cardinal Pio Laghi, has told President Bush that a preemptive strike
    against Iraq is immoral and illegal and not supported by God.
    Please go to this webpage to see the story:
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-03-05-bush-catholic_x.htm
    http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_1904.shtml

    Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into its place ;
    for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword.
    Or do you think that I cannot appeal to My Father, and
    He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of angels?"

    "Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one getting burned." -Buddha

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    I agree it is just like the OJ trial.
    absolutely no proof, and in fact to the contrary much evidence that points to innocence.

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    OK ..... Do you feel better now?






    Based on your post, I can only assume that you actually believe in the socialist crackpot's theory's at Walden3 who think they can create a self-sustaining Utopia here on earth where war does not exist.



    Take a deep breath ............ now, let it out .



    Now put on your ty-dyed tee shirt, hold hands with your buddies and sing kumbayaa together. Perhaps you could convince the world if you were to go be a human shield.


    Good Luck and let us know how it turns out!



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    I don't feel the U,S, has solid proof to link 911 to Iraq

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    This is just like saying there wasn't enough proof to convict OJ Simpson. The proof is irrefutible, but the world, like the OJ jury is choosing to ignore the facts. When has the "world" opinion ever been on the right side of history in the beginning of any event? I am against war, of course, but we have no other choice and I trust Bush. /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif

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    You should read the sentence after the one you quoted form me. I purely sure we find all the evidence we need after we bomb Iraq flat.(if ever) Then there is that Al Qadia guy we capture last week. We confiscated two laptop from him which are probably full of info we need. Another thing we should look at is that there are differant sects of Muslin religion, and they hate each other. Saddam and Al-Qudia are of different sects. If their hated of each other didn't divide their region, they whould all join together against us. However, it is not a long shot for the Arabs would put aside thier differentness against a common foe, which would be us.

    That's enough double talk for now.
     

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