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whats the equation for crawl ratio?

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by 84gmcjimmy, Nov 7, 2004.

  1. 84gmcjimmy

    84gmcjimmy 1 ton status

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    I have 1 saved on the internet, but I want the equation, not the acutal calculator. Most of the calculatos don't use doublers, etc. for them.

    I'm trying to figure out the ratio of:
    th-400, 203/203/205 and 5.13 gear ratio.
    Anyone have the eqation?
    How do I figure it out for atlas or a klune v?
     
  2. 70~K5

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    I have 1 saved on the internet, but I want the equation, not the acutal calculator. Most of the calculatos don't use doublers, etc. for them.

    I'm trying to figure out the ratio of:
    th-400, 203/203/205 and 5.13 gear ratio.
    Anyone have the eqation?
    How do I figure it out for atlas or a klune v?

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    2.48x2x2x1.96x5.13 = 99.74 for the trans, tc, tc, tc, and gears you listed.
     
  3. atho

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    just multiply your lowest transmission gear by the low range in your transfer case(s), then the axle ratio. I have also heard that you get another 2x from torque converter slip in autos.
     
  4. 84gmcjimmy

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    [ QUOTE ]
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    I have 1 saved on the internet, but I want the equation, not the acutal calculator. Most of the calculatos don't use doublers, etc. for them.

    I'm trying to figure out the ratio of:
    th-400, 203/203/205 and 5.13 gear ratio.
    Anyone have the eqation?
    How do I figure it out for atlas or a klune v?

    [/ QUOTE ]
    2.48x2x2x1.96x5.13 = 99.74 for the trans, tc, tc, tc, and gears you listed.

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    yikes, thats still not very good.
    Whats the numbers I would use for an atlas and a klune-v ?
     
  5. big pappa b

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    Just get rid of the TH400 and go SM465...all the crawl ratio you need
     
  6. 84gmcjimmy

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    Just get rid of the TH400 and go SM465...all the crawl ratio you need

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    Nah, I already have the th-400, and I want an auto anyways.
    I guess I'll be fine.
     
  7. jac6695

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    ... 99.74 .... yikes, thats still not very good...

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    Can you explain why that isn't a good crawl ratio for an auto? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
     
  8. big83chevy4x4

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    ... 99.74 .... yikes, thats still not very good...

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    Sure. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

    Kid, step away from the computer and go 'wheeling, for a change.

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    i agree, 99.74 is alot moer than alot of people on this site.

    if you had 2 vehicles with the same crawl ratio and tires, one a stick and one an auto, the auto will go slower. you have to remember the torque converter. there is no way that i know of to find the ratio of the converter, but also remember that it changes with the rpm.
     
  9. m j

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    crawl ratio doesnt change with a convertor
    convertor slippage is not the same as crawl ratio
    one could slip a clutch and go slower as well
     
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    I have 1 saved on the internet, but I want the equation, not the acutal calculator. Most of the calculatos don't use doublers, etc. for them.

    I'm trying to figure out the ratio of:
    th-400, 203/203/205 and 5.13 gear ratio.
    Anyone have the eqation?
    How do I figure it out for atlas or a klune v?

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    2.48x2x2x1.96x5.13 = 99.74 for the trans, tc, tc, tc, and gears you listed.

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    yikes, thats still not very good.
    Whats the numbers I would use for an atlas and a klune-v ?

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    Depends on which ratio Atlas you use. Now if you put the low 1st gear kit in the TH400 with a Klune and a 5.0 Atlas you'd have this....
    2.75x2.73x5.0x5.13 = 192.57 I think someone makes a 3.00 first gear for the TH400 too. /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif
     
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    i know that a converter is not the same as crawl ratio, but it does slip and it does alow you to go slower.

    yes you can do it with a clutch but after a while the cluch will burn up, the torque converter is made to slip.
     
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    Torque multiplication varies with the design of the converter's vanes. 2:1 is a reasonable generic number. So if the gears multiply to 99:1 and you operate the engine below the converter's stall speed you should have at least 198:1 (effective) and possibly more.

    The TH-425 converters originally put in the GMC M/H's have a 2.6:1 multiplication ratio. This was done b/c of the 3.08 final drive, 235R16 tires, and a 12,000 lbs. M/H. Good luck finding one. Most parts books list it as being the same as the other TH425 converters.
     
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    you read "torque multiplication" to equal "gear ratio"?
     
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    you read "torque multiplication" to equal "gear ratio"?

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    Sure. Gearing down 2:1 multiplies torque 2:1, right?

    -- A
     
  15. 84gmcjimmy

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    ... 99.74 .... yikes, thats still not very good...

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    Can you explain why that isn't a good crawl ratio for an auto? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

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    I meant is isn't good compared to a stick. I know I am comparing apples and oranges when talking about auto and manual...
    Isn't a stick with a 205, the same ratio as a auto with a doubler? /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
     
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    I have 1 saved on the internet, but I want the equation, not the acutal calculator. Most of the calculatos don't use doublers, etc. for them.

    I'm trying to figure out the ratio of:
    th-400, 203/203/205 and 5.13 gear ratio.
    Anyone have the eqation?
    How do I figure it out for atlas or a klune v?

    [/ QUOTE ]
    2.48x2x2x1.96x5.13 = 99.74 for the trans, tc, tc, tc, and gears you listed.

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    yikes, thats still not very good.
    Whats the numbers I would use for an atlas and a klune-v ?

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    Depends on which ratio Atlas you use. Now if you put the low 1st gear kit in the TH400 with a Klune and a 5.0 Atlas you'd have this....
    2.75x2.73x5.0x5.13 = 192.57 I think someone makes a 3.00 first gear for the TH400 too. /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif

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    Ah, so I can buy gears for the th-400 to make it slower too? /forums/images/graemlins/yikes.gif
     
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    you read "torque multiplication" to equal "gear ratio"?

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    Yes. You think it's different?
     
  18. 84_Chevy_K10

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    you read "torque multiplication" to equal "gear ratio"?

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    Yes. You think it's different?

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    I think what he's getting at is that a slipping torque converter doesn't offer any gear reduction or torque multiplication. It's turning power into heat instead of putting it to the wheels.
     
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    I agree with tim. However, it does affect the final ratio but the *torque* output isn't affected. Gears are not the same as a viscous fluid. The extra power used to make the extra turn is given off in heat and not in power. So, you'll go slower but have the same power is how I see it.
     
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    I agree with tim. However, it does affect the final ratio but the *torque* output isn't affected. Gears are not the same as a viscous fluid. The extra power used to make the extra turn is given off in heat and not in power. So, you'll go slower but have the same power is how I see it.

    [/ QUOTE ] There is something you guys do not get. If there is anything but a 1:1 gearing that affects the final torque. Of course it doesn't increase the initial input torque(the motors power) but by the time the power reaches the wheels the torque IS affected there by there IS torque multiplication. If you guys want to go on arguing there is no such thing as torque multiplication and that its the biggest myth in the automotive world be my guest, give TCI tech line a call and have a dandy argument, I'd like to hear a recording of it. The automatic transmission works on 3 principals, hydraulics, friction, and HEAT. Heat is always wasted energy and the more spinning the more wasted energy but if there is a notable variance in torque at the wheels by even 1% you guys are completely wrong and should stop arguing about it.
     

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