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What's wrong with the Constitution Party?

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by 84_Chevy_K10, Sep 13, 2004.

  1. 84_Chevy_K10

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    What\'s wrong with the Constitution Party?

    http://constitutionparty.com

    I was reading a little on their site and they seem to be more aligned with what I believe than the Republicans and Democrats by a LONG way.

    I don't exactly agree with their foreign policy, nor do I care for the word, "God" being involved in our politics, but other than that, seems pretty good.

    So, WTF is wrong with them?
     
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    Re: What\'s wrong with the Constitution Party?

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    http://constitutionparty.com

    I was reading a little on their site and they seem to be more aligned with what I believe than the Republicans and Democrats by a LONG way.

    I don't exactly agree with their foreign policy, nor do I care for the word, "God" being involved in our politics, but other than that, seems pretty good.

    So, WTF is wrong with them?

    [/ QUOTE ] Is this a joke ??? Do you honestly belive anyone from this party will ever get voted president anytime in your life time ?? /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif
     
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    Re: What\'s wrong with the Constitution Party?

    Some good, some bad................
     
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    Re: What\'s wrong with the Constitution Party?

    Yes Z3PR this is a two party political system in the U.S.A.
    That probably will never change.

    However, if millions of voters disgruntled with the "Replicrats" and "Demopublicans" aligned with a 3rd party it would work. Don't hold your breath anyone.

    However, people committed to preserving the Constituion, and the Republic, are sincere. In my opinion thats no joking matter to laugh at.
     
  5. 84_Chevy_K10

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    Re: What\'s wrong with the Constitution Party?

    Some guy on Pirate seems to think that the socialist party that identifies themselves as the "Democratic party" of today will be replaced by the Constitution party.

    I don't think it will take long before Americans rebel against the two party political system we have today. It will certainly be within my lifetime.
     
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    Re: What\'s wrong with the Constitution Party?

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    I don't think it will take long before Americans rebel against the two party political system we have today. It will certainly be within my lifetime.



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    It could happen but I dont see it happening if they go the same rout as the Reform Party /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif did with some wackjob as thier leader /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif
     
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    Re: What\'s wrong with the Constitution Party?

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    I don't think it will take long before Americans rebel against the two party political system we have today. It will certainly be within my lifetime.



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    It could happen but I dont see it happening if they go the same rout as the Reform Party /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif did with some wackjob as thier leader /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif

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    I think before I die, there will be 4-5 parties that all have a serious shot at big public offices. Having two parties generally control our entire government certainly won't last forever.
     
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    Re: What\'s wrong with the Constitution Party?

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    I think before I die, there will be 4-5 parties that all have a serious shot at big public offices.

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    That will only happen if they appeal to the moderate voter. Thats one reason why partys like the Green Party don't have a chance. They only appeal to a small percentage of the population and scare the crap out of the rest of the population. So unless another party can appeal to at least 50% of the peeps it's still gonna be a two party system.
     
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    Re: What\'s wrong with the Constitution Party?

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    I think before I die, there will be 4-5 parties that all have a serious shot at big public offices.

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    That will only happen if they appeal to the moderate voter. Thats one reason why partys like the Green Party don't have a chance. They only appeal to a small percentage of the population and scare the crap out of the rest of the population. So unless another party can appeal to at least 50% of the peeps it's still gonna be a two party system.

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    Yes, you're correct.

    I don't look at the modern day Democratic party as all that moderate though.
     
  10. Corey 78K5

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    Re: What\'s wrong with the Constitution Party?

    True, but all they have to do is get 51% of the vote. Which happens on occasion.
     
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    Re: What\'s wrong with the Constitution Party?

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    ... nor do I care for the word, "God" being involved in our politics, but other than that, seems pretty good.


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    Kinda like the Declaration of Independence, our money, the Pledge of Allegiance, etc.
     
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    Re: What\'s wrong with the Constitution Party?

    Wow, if I wasn't groggy and thinking irrationally, I'd say maybe I'll switch party's. I have to read further into what they're about, though.

    The political condition our democratic republic has evolved into is pretty sad. I don't know how many names were on the ballot in the 1800's, but I'd have to guess there were a lot more realistic possible outcomes than just two.

    It begins to come down to how much the people in office are actually representing the people of the country, how in touch they are with thier constituents.
    Sometimes watching the news or reading new bills, I say to myself, "is he [whatever senator or whatever] an idiot?? How can he possibly think this will work when there's this happening that will totally make the law ineffective? Oh, but he's in power, he must nknow more than I do to be making this call."
    And then I realize, there's no certification for public office. You get voted in by how well you can convince people to vote for you, very little on ability. We could have absolute morons in office making laws that are completely worthless, it's a disservice to ourselves to assume they know what they're doing.


    You can serve your country, not your party. The party should serve you.
     
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    Re: What\'s wrong with the Constitution Party?

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    True, but all they have to do is get 51% of the vote. Which happens on occasion.

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    Let's shoot for 80% so they don't order recounts...
     
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    Re: What\'s wrong with the Constitution Party?

    The reason that I'm not so big into the Constitution Party is because they're a bit too religious for my tastes.

    From the preamble of their platform (this is how it begins, no less) -

    <font color="red"> The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States.

    This great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been and are afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.

    The goal of the Constitution Party is to restore American jurisprudence to its Biblical foundations and to limit the federal government to its Constitutional boundaries. </font>


    The rest of their platform is affected by this, outlawing "sinful" things like gambling and pornography. Here's a scary little bit about porn -

    <font color="red"> "Pornography, at best, is a distortion of the true nature of sex created by God for the procreative union between one man and one woman in the holy bonds of matrimony, and at worst, is a destructive element of society resulting in significant and real emotional, physical, spiritual and financial costs to individuals, families and communities. We call on our local, state and federal governments to uphold our cherished First Amendment right to free speech by vigorously enforcing our laws against obscenity to maintain a degree of separation between that which is truly speech and that which only seeks to distort and destroy."</font>

    The bit in bold strikes me as an oxymoron.

    Then there's this bit about their stance on terrorism -

    <font color="red"> "In accord with the views of our Founding Fathers, we must disengage this nation from the international entanglements which generate foreign hatred of the United States, and are used as the excuse for terrorist attacks on America and its people. The 'war on terrorism" is not a proper excuse for perpetual U.S. occupation of foreign lands, military assaults on countries which have not injured us, or perpetual commitment of taxpayer dollars to finance foreign governments." </font>

    I set out one day to find a political party that I agree with, and the one that I found is the Patriot Party. Unfortunately it is an extremely fledgling organization so they're a long way from fielding a candidate for anything. They still have reference to God but they rely much more on the Constitution than on the Bible for their platform, and don't seek to prohibit things that people want to do based on their own religion.

    Another interesting one that I haven't had much time to look into is the New Federalist party.
     
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    Re: What\'s wrong with the Constitution Party?

    I don't think the 2 party system is 'best for us, but its what we have...what kills me is the ignorance of some people when selecting a party. Someone tried to agrue why he is a Dem. by saying "hello! democrate - stands for democracy!" Well, i promptly pulled out Websters and looked up democracy, and then i turned to republic - yeah, mean the same friggin thing. He shut up, and changed the subject. Hes a union guy, so he votes how hes told my the union leaders. /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif
     
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    Re: What\'s wrong with the Constitution Party?

    A lot of you guys are pretty optimistic on seeing the two party system crumble in your lifetime. Me? I’m a little older and I don’t see it happening in my lifetime, but I sincerely hope you’re right.

    The democratic party is way closer to a socialist party than you all think.

    Ratch – the “morons” in office are voted in by an equally moronic majority of socialist democratic sheep. When the liberal press is forced to stop editorializing on the front page and not just on the editorial page and just REPORT the news and not “Monday morning quarterback” everything that happens, then the vast majority of the population will indeed become “informed”. And once the benefits of being a retired career politician (senator, congressman) are no longer profitable (you do know that they and their spouse collect social security for the rest of their life and NEVER have to pay INTO it, don’t you) then we will see people run for office that truly want to serve.

    I have to admit that I have not read that link yet. It's late (for me) and I'll try to get to it tomorrow.
     
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    Re: What\'s wrong with the Constitution Party?

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    A lot of you guys are pretty optimistic on seeing the two party system crumble in your lifetime. Me? I’m a little older and I don’t see it happening in my lifetime

    [/ QUOTE ] I'm 38 myself and hear ya. It's always been Democraps and Republicans sence before my life time, and I honestly belive it'll be the same past my life time. It's just the way it is. /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gif
     
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    Re: What\'s wrong with the Constitution Party?

    bottom line... I aint votin for no party that dont either indulge in or support porn.

    Bush porn = Bush twins
    Kerry porn = Oh god, I am gonna be sick
    Nader porn = www.vegetablesex.com (link used for joke, not as an example)

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    So unless another party can appeal to at least 50% of the peeps it's still gonna be a two party system.

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    if more than two parties are involved, the percentage that becomes the majority only has to be 34% possibly less.
     
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    Re: What\'s wrong with the Constitution Party?

    I still say it needs to be at least 50%. Look at the last three elections all that Perot and Nader did was to split the moderate (Perot) vote or the far left (Nader) vote. Neither one made a big effect on your everyday Left or Rightwing voter.
     

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