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Which starter 4 speed guys?

Discussion in '1973-1991 K5 Blazer | Truck | Suburban' started by 84_Chevy_K10, Jul 22, 2002.

  1. 84_Chevy_K10

    84_Chevy_K10 Banned

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    Which starter do you 4 speed guys use? The straight across bolt pattern one or the staggered one? I hope it's the staggered one. I use a 12" clutch.
     
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    the staggered one, same as the auto th350 uses.
     
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    My 1st gen uses a starter that bolts into the bell housing not up like a auto truck.
     
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    84_Chevy_K10 Banned

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    Thanks! I'm glad...I happen to have both starters but I wasn't sure that the straight across one was good. I am glad the staggered one is the one (I have one and I know its good).
     
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    Don't forget, you can change the nose cones, so you've got a spare too : )
     
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    4x4s get a special one with better mud sealing nse piece
     
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    I guess I never thought of that. I do know how to take the motors apart and rebuild the starters anyway. I never thought of swapping parts from one to another though. /forums/images/icons/grin.gif
     
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    If you *really* need it, there are cast iron starter noses out there too...I've never busted a starter nose, but a friend has.

    Personally, and this is a *small* point, when you have a motor with a starter that doesn't grind, when that starter goes bad, besides the bushing in the nose, why wouldn't you keep that nose even if you got a new starter?

    The only reason to have to shim starters is because of block/starter nose production tolerances. If you keep the starter nose with the block, you should *never* have starter grinding issues.

    I've never looked at an old starter to see if that bushing even wears. If it does, wonder if it can be pulled.

    I personally have never had a problem with a grinding starter, but the grief some have gone through with that is enough to make me think that I should probably keep the nose that works, with the block.
     
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    MJ what seals better?

    I noticed that my inspection plate off of the '85 actually has a rubber seal for where the starter enters the bellhousing (which I've never seen on earlier bellhousings) but I've also never had a 4wd and non 4wd starter side by side to compare. Just curious what to look for on them! : )
     
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    the 4x4 starter has a really closed nose piece where only the portion of the starter gear that actually engages the flywheel is exposed, as well as there is a larger rubber(i think) washer that rides on the gear on the electric motor side that when the starter is not spinning seals the electric motor.
    no idea how common it is but I know I paid a bunch extra to get the 'special' starter housing
     
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    I think you got took for a ride there, the starters between the two are identical. Unless you bought a custom job from somewhere.

    I checked on a K30 and a C30 of the same year and same engine. The same starters showed up for both, all brands.
     
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    well they are completely different side by side
     
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    Any pic's? You got that swanky digi-cam.../forums/images/icons/smile.gif

    Rene
     
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    sure drop by and pull the starter and I will shot the pics.
    actually I bought it out here so I can go see the old coot and shoot a pic if he doesnt mind
     
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    There ya go...go see the old coot.

    Rene
     
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    Interesting...

    So if you keep the inspection cover in place and it seals well, (such as this '85 one that has the rubber starter seal AND a seal for the bottom edge IIRC) it doesn't sound like the 4wd one offers much to you. You must not agree since you bought a 4wd version?
     
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    have yet to see an inspection cover seal well.
    I did away with mine.
    I have no idea if I gained anything with the pricier housing.
    never had it fail from being packed with river mud again.
     
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    Don't know when they changed them, but the newer inspection covers are different than the older ones. Don't know if that makes them better or worse, but the "bolt" pattern to them certainly changed.

    I never get into stuff that deep (or haven't yet) but even so, doesn't hurt to keep as much junk out of there as possible.

    I'll keep my eyes peeled for these starters!
     
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    I ran one until something in a pit came up and drove it into the flywheel.
    I thought something was toasted with the sound it make chewing it up.
    almost everything that is designed to keep stuff out does a much better job of keeping stuff in that I would rather have fall out.
    that hurt my brain to type /forums/images/icons/confused.gif
     
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    I believe the starter he is referring to was used on 81(?) and up engines with an auto tranny. The housing is closed except for around the bendix gear versus the completely open style. It doesnt cost too much more than a regular starter.
     

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