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Who wants hydraulic ram assist steering?

Discussion in '1973-1991 K5 Blazer | Truck | Suburban' started by Leadfoot, Jun 11, 2001.

  1. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot 1/2 ton status Premium Member

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    I've talked to several custom cylinder manufacturers and they will make custom cylinders, but only if I can get a quantity of 50 or more. They will make the exact cylinder we need for a cheap (dollar wise), but high quality setup. The specific dimensions are 1.25" bore, 8" stroke (perfect for most D44's, D60's, and 10bolts), with 5/8" rod. I figure $30 for hydraulic hose and fittings (2 hoses), $15 for a small chunk of aluminum and a shop to weld it to the end of the steering box, $20 for the proper pipe tap, $40 for welding on extension to power steering pump (for extra fluid), and $40 for welding tabs on to axle and tie rod to mount cylinder. If you or a friend can do the welding and have scrap available and pipe tap, it would cost you a couple hours of time and $30 for hoses plus the cost of the cylinder. If I can get 50+ who want them and get the cylinders for $100 bucks or so, would people be interested. That's a total cost of $130 for parts plus time if you have the know-how and tools or $250-$300 if you don't. Please only reply if you are seriously interested, so I can count, or PM me.

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  2. michaelm

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    Re: Who wants hydraulic steering?

    so you are talking an additional ram not actually hydro steering
     
  3. Blue85

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    Re: Who wants hydraulic steering?

    Ummm...most of us already have hydraulic steering. How about "Who wants a hydraulic ram?"

    <font color=green>If a K-5 is "Built not Bought", why does this stuff cost me so much money? [​IMG] </font color=green>
     
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    Re: Who wants hydraulic steering?

    True, but to be technical a stock setup is hydraulic over mechanical, or mechanical over hydraulic steering (I can't remember which).[​IMG]
    By adding the hydraulic ram, you are just increasing the hydraulic force. I guess they call the stock steering system mechanical over hydraulic due to the mechanical input (steering wheel input) being converted to hydraulic motion.

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    Re: Who wants hydraulic steering?

    It's Hydraulic "Assist" Steering.
    That deal sounds pretty good. It's a simple concept, AGR just jacked the price on theirs that's all!
    Boss

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  6. wstolar

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    Re: Who wants hydraulic steering?

    Leadfoot,
    You can buy these hydraulic cylinders in Canada for $100 CN. They are made by http://www.princessauto.com in Winnipeg, MB and are good quality units. Same spec's as you mention. I know of one person who bought such a cylinder as uses it as a 'power assist' tapped into the current ps box on his 1985 GM 4x4. It is plumbed the same way that the Iclelandic vehicles at http://www.arctictrucks.com does it.The stock mechanical linkage is still hooked up also, therefore it is streetlegal.

    Hope this helps
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    Re: Who wants hydraulic steering?

    You could also increase your PS resevoir by just adding a length of radiator hose to the fill neck. I just saw this on somebpdy's truck on here and thought, Man!! That's a good idea!! Can't remember whose it was though.

    My .02,

    Buddy

    72 K-5, 33x12.5's, 350/350/205,12-bR,d44F soon to be 39.5'x15.5s, EFI502/nv4500/doubler205, d60F, d70R. Stay tuned.
     
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    some pictures of hydraulic assist
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    Re: Who wants hydraulic steering?

    To "wstolar"

    Do those have Heim joints on either end?
    I would think you would need them due to the Ackerman Angle. The tie rod moves left to right, but it also moves up and down slightly. Two fixed mounting points would put alot of pressure on the tie-rod, whereas heim joints wouldn't (That's why AGR uses heims).
    By looking at the website, they have 1" bore cylinders with 8" stroke, and 5/8" rod, but with fixed T ends. In order to get Heim joints you need to order a custom shaft. The smallest start at 1.5" bore with 1" shaft. Not sure if it will work.

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    If you used a Power steering box from a vehicle that had the Hydroboost brake system, could you power the ram off the hydroboost lines off the pwr steering box?

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    The steering box is the same. There is one high pressure line from the pump to the brake booster, and one from the brake booster to the steering box. I don't remember for sure how the return lines are setup, I think each unit has it's own that goes back to the pump.

    Pete

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    Well I changed over to a normal brake booster and master cylinder. I kept the hydro boost power steering box on there though and plugged the lines... i was wondering if these extra lines can be used to power the Ram for the ram assist?

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  13. wstolar

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    Leadfoot,
    I do believe they are t ends, but I can check. I think you could order w/heim, but would probably have to wait alittle longer. All their cylinders are built 'in-house' so it shouldn't be a problem if a small wait is okay. The Icelandic version does not use heim ends.

    Walter
     

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