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    Who's Smarter?

    by Cindy Osborne


    The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming the President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to anyone and everyone who will listen. They publicly defile them and call them names like"stupid", "morons", and "idiots". Jessica Lange went so far as to tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bush and is embarrassed to be an American.

    So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country? Let's look at the biographies of these "stupid", "ignorant", "moronic" leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:

    President George W. Bush
    Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. He began his career in the oil and gas business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy industry until 1986. He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic re-election victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In 1998 Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He won more Texas counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other that Richard Nixon in 1 972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to win the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El Paso, Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false story about his I.Q. being lower than any other President. If you believed it, you might want to go to Urban Legends.Com and see the truth.)

    Vice President Dick Cheney
    Earned a B.A. in 1965 and a M.A. in 1966, both in political science. Two years later, he won an American Political Science Association congressional fellowship. One of Vice President Cheney's primary duties is to share with individuals, members of Congress and foreign leaders, President Bush's vision to strengthen our economy, secure our homeland and win the War on Terrorism. In his official role as President of the Senate, Vice President Cheney regularly goes to Capital Hill to meet with Senators and members of the House of Representatives to work on the Administration's legislative goals. In his travels as Vice President, he has seen first hand the great demands the war on terrorism is placing on the men and women of our military, and he is proud of the tremendous job they are doing for the United States of America.

    Secretary of State Colin Powell
    Educated in the New York City public schools, graduating from the City College of New York (CCNY), where he earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology. He also participated in ROTC at CCNY and received a commission as an Army second lieutenant upon graduation in June 1958. His further academic achievements include a Master of Business Administration Degree from George Washington University. Secretary Powell is the recipient of numerous U.S. and foreign military awards and decorations. Secretary Powell's civilian awards include two Presidential Medals of Freedom, the President's Citizens Medal, the Congressional Gold Medal, the Secretary of State Distinguished Service Medal, and the Secretary of Energy Distinguished Service M edal. Several schools and other institutions have been named in his honor and he holds honorary degrees from universities and colleges across the country.

    Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld
    Attended Princeton University on Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval aviator. Congressional Assistant to Rep. Robert Griffin (R-MI), 1957-59; U.S. Representative, Illinois, 1962-69; Assistant to the President, Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity, Director of the Cost of Living Council, 1969-74; U.S. Ambassador to NATO, 1973-74; head of Presidential Transition Team, 1974; Assistant to the President, Director of White House Office of Operations, White House Chief of Staff, 1974-77; Secretary of Defense, 1975-77

    Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge
    Raised in a working class family in veterans' public housing in Erie. He earned a scholarship to Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After his first year at The Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted into the U.S. Army, where he served as an infantry staff sergeant in Vietnam, earning the Bronze Star for Valor. After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his Law Degree and was in private practice before becoming Assistant District Attorney in Erie County. He was elected to Congress in 1982. He was the first enlisted Vietnam combat veteran elected to the U.S. House, and was overwhelmingly re-elected six times.

    National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice
    Earned her Bachelor's Degree in Political Science, Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. (Note: Rice enrolled at the University of Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19 with a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science (Cum Laude). She earned a Master's Degree at the Universi ty of Notre Dame and a Doctorate from the University of Denver's Graduate School of International Studies. Both of her advanced degrees are also in Political Science.)

    She is a Fellow of the AmericanAcademy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution.

    Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residen ce in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions. From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs.

    In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the Military. She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Bo ard member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula.

    In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco. Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she earned her bachelor's degree in political science, cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctor ates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. She resides in Washington, D.C.

    So, who are these pompous, outspoken celebrity critics?
    What is their education? What is their experience in affairs of State or in National Security? While I will defend to the death their right to express their opinions, I think that if they are going to call into question the intelligence of our leaders, we should also have all the facts on their education and background:

    Barbra Streisand
    Completed high school
    Career: Singing and acting

    Cher
    Dropped out of school in 9th grade.
    Career: Singing and acting

    Martin Sheen
    Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton.
    Career: Acting

    Jessica Lange
    Dropped out college mid-freshman year.
    Career: Acting

    Alec Baldwin
    Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal
    Career: Acting

    Julia Roberts
    Completed high school
    Career: Acting

    Sean Penn
    Completed High school
    Career: Acting

    Susan Sarandon
    Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C.
    Career: Acting

    Ed Asner
    Completed High school
    Career: Acting

    George Clooney
    Dropped out of University of Kentucky
    Career: Acting

    Michael Moore
    Dropped out first year University of Michigan.
    Career: Movie Director

    Sarah Jessica Parker
    Completed High School
    Career: Acting

    Jennifer Anniston
    Completed High School
    Career: Acting

    Mike Farrell
    Completed High school
    Career: Acting

    Janeane Garofalo
    Dropped out of College.
    Career: Stand up comedienne

    Larry Hagman
    Attended Bard College for one year.
    Career: Acting

    While comparing the education and experience of these two groups, we should also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are briefed daily, even hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our security. They are privy to information gathered around the world concerning the Middle East, the threats to America, the intentions of terrorists and terrorist-supporting governments. They are in constant communication with the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, NATO, The United Nations, our own military, and that of our allies around the world. We cannot simply believe that we have full knowledge of the threats because we watch CNN!! We cannot believe that we are in any way as informed as our leaders.

    These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding groups, no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our country. They only have a deep-seated hatred for all things Republican. By nature, and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest Conservative views and anything that supports or uplifts the Un ited States of America. The silence was deafening from the Left when Bill Clinton bombed a pharmaceutical factory outside of Khartoum, or when he attacked the Bosnian Serbs in 1995 and 1999. He bombed Serbia itself to get Slobodan Milosevic out of Kosovo, and not a single peace rally was held. When our Rangers were ambushed in Somalia and 18 young American lives were lost,not a peep was heard from Hollywood. Yet now, after our nation has been attacked on its own soil, after 3,000 Americans were killed by freedom-hating terrorists while going about their routine lives, they want to hold rallies against the war. Why the change? Because an honest, God-fearing Republican sits in the White House.

    Another irony is that in 1987, when Ronald Reagan was in office, the Hollywood group aligned themselves with disarmament groups like SANE, FREEZE and PEACE ACTION, urging our own government to disarm and freeze the manufacturing of any further nuclear weapons, in order to promote world peace. It is curious that now, even after we have heard all the evidence that Saddam Hussein has chemical, biological and is very close to obtaining nuclear weapons, their is no cry from this group for HIM to disarm. They believe we should leave him alone in his quest for these weapons of mass destruction, even though it is certain that these deadly weapons will eventually be used against us in our own cities.

    So why the hype out of Hollywood? Could these celebrities believe that since they draw such astronomical salaries, they are entitled to also determine the course of our Nation? That they can make viable decisions concerning war and peace? Did Michael Moore have the backing of the Nation when he recently thanked France, on our behalf, for being a "good enough friend to tell us we were wrong"? I know for certain he was not speaking for me. Does Sean Penn fancy himself a diplomat, in going to Iraq when we are just weeks away from war? Does he believe that h is high school diploma gives him the knowledge (and the right) to go to a country that is controlled by a maniacal dictator, and speak on behalf of the American people? Or is it the fact that he pulls in more money per year than the average American worker will see in a lifetime? Does his bank account give him clout?

    The ultimate irony is that many of these celebrities have made a shambles of their own lives, with drug abuse, alcoholism, numerous marriages and divorces, scrapes with the law, publicized temper tantrums, etc. How dare they pretend to know what is best for an entire nation! What is even more bizarre is how many people in this country will listen and accept their views, simply because they liked them in a certain movie, or have fond memories of an old television sitcom!

    It is time for us, as citizens of the United States, to educate ourselves about the world around us. If future generations are going to enjoy the freedoms that our forefathers beq ueathed us, if they are ever to know peace in their own country and their world, to live without fear of terrorism striking in their own cities, we must assure that this nation remains strong. We must make certain that those who would destroy us are made aware of the severe consequences that will befall them.

    Yes, it is a wonderful dream to sit down with dictators and terrorists and join hands, singing Cumbaya and talking of world peace. But it is not real. We did not stop Adolf Hitler from taking over the entire continent of Europe by simply talking to him. We sent our best and brightest, with the strength and determination that this Country is known for, and defeated the Nazi regime. President John F. Kennedy did not stop the Soviet ships from unloading their nuclear missiles in Cuba in 1962 with mere words. He stopped them with action, and threat of immediate war if the ships did not turn around. We did not end the Cold War with conferences. It ended with the stro ng belief of President Ronald Reagan... PEACE through STRENGTH
     
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    So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country? Let's look at the biographies of these "stupid", "ignorant", "moronic" leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:

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    Education makes you one thing; educated. By no means does it make you smart or sensible. I know MANY people with advanced degrees and doctorates than can barely function in day-to-day activity. On the other hand, I know MANY people who have a HS diploma who are BY FAR the most intelligent people I know, with IQ's that score well above genius (I have seen the tests), who are content to make their living with their HS education and be perfectly happy. Did you happen to catch Janene Garofalo on 'The O'Reilly Factor'? There are exceptions to every rule.
     
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    Did you happen to catch Janene Garofalo on 'The O'Reilly Factor'? There are exceptions to every rule.


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    I cought part of that. Man I'm shocked that she made it past the second grade. That beotch simply could not back up what she was saying. She needs to go crawl back under her rock.
     
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    What?? You must not have caught much of it. Of course, your extreme differeing points of view will prevent you from hearing what she had to say... Additionally, she was exceptionally articulate and well spoken, surprising even Bill O'Reilly.

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    Now now Big Guy hold your horses. I cought more that half of her spouting off at the pie hole. That skank was trying to say that Bush was just as evil as Saddam. When O'Reilly asked Her to explain how it was that Bush was as evil as Saddam the said skank simply could not cover Her ass. O'Reilly asked her to explain all the murderd and tortured Iraqis By Saddams regime She simply would not answer. All She would say was "Oh my God I can't belive you".
    Yeah Buddy She was a real winner. /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
     
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    My post is gone!!! WTF?? Anyway...

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    I cought more that half of her spouting off at the pie hole. That skank was trying to say that Bush was just as evil as Saddam. When O'Reilly asked Her to explain how it was that Bush was as evil as Saddam the said skank simply could not cover Her ass

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    You are doing the EXACT SAME thing O'Reilly did...she said that Bush was AS DANGEROUS as Saddam, and O'Reilly kept saying 'How is he as evil'. She refused to answer because THAT IS NOT WHAT SHE SAID. Dangerous and evil are not synonymous terms my friend. He jumped all over it, twisted it into 'evil', then did not let her fully explain herself. If you LISTENED, you cannot dispute that. And you can't tell me that once Billy gets on a roll that anyone on the planet will get a chance to explain themselves. Listen to both sides, don't just hear what you choose to hear.
     
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    My post is gone!!! WTF?? Anyway...

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    We have ways to remove the Liberal agenda. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
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    You are doing the EXACT SAME thing O'Reilly did

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    Hey I thought this was a "No Spin Zone" /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif
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    Listen to both sides, don't just hear what you choose to hear.

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    Oh but I do listen to both sides. That is why I do not buy in to the Liberal agenda. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
     
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    At the MOST..I see Dubya as guilty of being over-protective of his country. After 9/11..would YOU like to be the one known as being too naive?! It's a hard bitch of a world right now, and people need to realize it. You think the vast majority of americans would sit by and watch american lives spent for NOTHING!? We are vastly in agreement because we KNOW that most of these factions are getting out of hand. You think Sadaam blows 80 mil on 1 bunker because he's gonna co-exist with the rest of the world?!
     
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    Oh but I do listen to both sides. That is why I do not buy in to the Liberal agenda.

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    Your post indicates how well you listen to both sides. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
     
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    At the MOST..I see Dubya as guilty of being over-protective of his country. After 9/11..would YOU like to be the one known as being too naive?! It's a hard bitch of a world right now, and people need to realize it.

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    My post has nothing to do with the war, the US Government/President's decision to engage in war, nor the involvement of our fine military in said war. This WILL not turn into a pro/anti war debate (that being said, I am for the war, and support our armed forces 100%). I replied to a post that implied that the aforementioned people are absolutely not morons or idiots because of their lengthly list of education credentials. And I still stand by my assertion that Bush appears 'simple', and is a poor speaker. Maybe it's his way of appealing to the public with his 'down-homeness', but I find it irritating. I also still stand by my statement that education (or lack thereof) does not automatically make someone either smart or not smart.
     
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    Incidentally, in case the horse is NOT QUITE dead...

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    He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic re-election victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In 1998 Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He won more Texas counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other that Richard Nixon in 1 972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to win the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El Paso, Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false story about his I.Q. being lower than any other President. If you believed it, you might want to go to Urban Legends.Com and see the truth.)

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    Hooray. What about this portion has to do with his education? All of the elected officials got that way by, well, BEING ELECTED.

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    In his travels as Vice President, he has seen first hand the great demands the war on terrorism is placing on the men and women of our military, and he is proud of the tremendous job they are doing for the United States of America.

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    Fantastic. One does not need to have appreciable intellectual prowess to feel this way.

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    Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld
    Attended Princeton University on Scholarship

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    And?

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    National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice

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    Her resume is very impressive. An MBA is not hard; multiple MBA's and a Doctorate, while having earned a BA at 19 is nothing to balk at.

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    While comparing the education and experience of these two groups, we should also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are briefed daily, even hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our security. They are privy to information gathered around the world concerning the Middle East, the threats to America, the intentions of terrorists and terrorist-supporting governments. They are in constant communication with the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, NATO, The United Nations, our own military, and that of our allies around the world. We cannot simply believe that we have full knowledge of the threats because we watch CNN!! We cannot believe that we are in any way as informed as our leaders.

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    This is the real point. They do what they do well, not necessarily because they are smarter than any of the actors mentioned (since none of us know that), but because they are in an elected, perpetually informed position.

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    These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding groups, no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our country. They only have a deep-seated hatred for all things Republican. By nature, and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest Conservative views and anything that supports or uplifts the Un ited States of America. The silence was deafening from the Left when Bill Clinton bombed a pharmaceutical factory outside of Khartoum, or when he attacked the Bosnian Serbs in 1995 and 1999. He bombed Serbia itself to get Slobodan Milosevic out of Kosovo, and not a single peace rally was held. When our Rangers were ambushed in Somalia and 18 young American lives were lost,not a peep was heard from Hollywood. Yet now, after our nation has been attacked on its own soil, after 3,000 Americans were killed by freedom-hating terrorists while going about their routine lives, they want to hold rallies against the war. Why the change? Because an honest, God-fearing Republican sits in the White House.

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    And it all comes back to this. Obviously the ONLY reason anyone could be opposed to ANY of the policies set in place by Bush or is staff is because THEY HATE REPUBLICANS! /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
     
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    Swanson, I agree with you, I put VERY LITTLE stock in degrees, awards, and most of the incestuous crapola that the government service invests into. I've got knuckle-heads at work with degrees who can barely express an idea to another being or gas up their own car. I also have a problem with seeing a threat to my country. The basic ideology is America supports Israel and must be attacked.?! For supporting an underdog we should all die? The Middle East has been a bullshit insane asylum for 200 years.
     
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    And I still stand by my assertion that Bush appears 'simple', and is a poor speaker.

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    Moses was also a poor speaker. Rainman appeared simple. Appearances are not everything. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
     
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    Moses was also a poor speaker.

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    Did you hear him speak in public?

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    Rainman appeared simple

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    And he was not the leader of the most powerful nation on the planet, either.
     

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