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Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by SkulzNBonz, Sep 7, 2006.

  1. SkulzNBonz

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    America's and the free world's enemie's have laid out their ultimate plans for global domination, given objective evidence, and have had the leader of the free world blatantly point it out, yet no one seems to listen or seem to care? It is distressing and disheartening that everyone seems to be turning a blind eye to history and is more concerned with their mundane materialistic lives, than the fact that we are in the middle of a war in which we must win. I for one do not want to have my children have to fight this war, but with everyone seeming to look the other way, unfotunately they will have to. What will it take for people to wake up and realize that Iran and the Islamo-fascists are not joking?:mad:

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    I don't know if it's true or not . but, I just heard the president of Iran was coming here to the states. anybody hear anything?

    Some'bich needs a case of lead poisoning!
     
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    An incident that makes 9/11 look like minor league stuff.......................
     
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    ...........Coupled with no perception of personal agenda by the administration.


    I know that every generation says that the world is in serious trouble, but it sure seems that is what we are dealing with. I read that the current plan projects U.S. occupation of Iraq for another 15 years. (didn't even mention Iran or other trouble spots).
     
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    That will rally everyone for about a year or less. Then the sheeple will go back to their lives and stick their heads in the sand again. Look at 9/11. The scale of that attack was enormous. Now a few years later and everyone is forgetting. Why? Because they want to. I think I posted the article on sheep, sheepdogs, and wolves. If you haven't read it, it is a perfect explanation of why people continue to play ostrich.
     
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    I searched to see if I posted this before and couldn't find it so here it goes, perhaps again.

    ON SHEEP, WOLVES, AND SHEEPDOGS By LTC (RET) Dave Grossman, RANGER, Ph.D., author of "On Killing."

    Honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart of age. It does so because honor is, finally, about defending those noble and worthy things that deserve defending, even if it comes at a high cost. In our time, that may mean social disapproval, public scorn, hardship, persecution, or as always, even death itself. The question remains: What is worth defending? What is worth dying for? What is worth living for? -William J. Bennett - in a lecture to the United States Naval Academy November 24, 1997 One Vietnam Veteran, an old retired colonel, once said this to me: "Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident." This is true. Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year, and the aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per year. What this means is that the vast majority of Americans are not inclined to hurt one another.

    Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime. But there are almost 300 million Americans, which means that the odds of being a victim of violent crime is considerably less than one in a hundred on any given year. Furthermore, since many violent crimes are committed by repeat offenders, the actual number of violent citizens is considerably less than two million.

    Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends of the situation: We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme provocation. They are sheep.

    I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me, it is like the pretty, blue robin's egg. Inside it is soft and gooey but someday it will grow into something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell.

    Police officers, soldiers, and other warriors are like that shell, and someday the civilization they protect will grow into something wonderful. For now, though, they need warriors to protect them from the predators.


    "Then there are the wolves," the old war veteran said, "and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy." Do you believe there are wolves out there whom will feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial.

    "Then there are sheepdogs," he went on, "and I'm a sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf."

    If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen, a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath, a wolf.

    But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? What do you have then? A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed.

    Let me expand on this old soldier's excellent model of the sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial; that is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world. They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their kids' schools.

    But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer in their kid's school. Our children are thousands of times more likely to be killed or seriously injured by school violence than fire, but the sheep's only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their child is just too hard, and so they chose the path of denial.

    The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, can not and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheep dog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.


    Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn't tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports, in camouflage fatigues, holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, "Baa." Until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog.

    The students, the victims, at Columbine High School were big, tough high school students, and under ordinary circumstances they would not have had the time of day for a police officer. They were not bad kids; they just had nothing to say to a cop. When the school was under attack, however, and SWAT teams were clearing the rooms and hallways, the officers had to physically peel those clinging, sobbing kids off of them. This is how the little lambs feel about their sheepdog when the wolf is at the door.

    Look at what happened after September 11, 2001 when the wolf pounded hard on the door. Remember how America, more than ever before, felt differently about their law enforcement officers and military personnel? Remember how many times you heard the word hero?

    Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle. The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when needed, right along with the young ones.

    Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said, "Thank God I wasn't on one of those planes." The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, "Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference." When you are truly transformed into a warrior and have truly invested yourself into warriorhood, you want to be there. You want to be able to make a difference.

    There is nothing morally superior about the sheepdog, the warrior, but he does have one real advantage. Only one. And that is that he is able to survive and thrive in an environment that destroys 98 percent of the population.

    There was research conducted a few years ago with individuals convicted of violent crimes. These cons were in prison for serious, predatory crimes of violence: assaults, murders and killing law enforcement officers. The vast majority said that they specifically targeted victims by body language: Slumped walk, passive behavior and lack of awareness. They chose their victims like big cats do in Africa, when they select one out of the herd that is least able to protect itself.

    Some people may be destined to be sheep and others might be genetically primed to be wolves or sheepdogs. But I believe that most people can choose which one they want to be, and I'm proud to say that more and more Americans are choosing to become sheepdogs.

    Seven months after the attack on September 11, 2001, Todd Beamer was honored in his hometown of Cranbury, New Jersey. Todd, as you recall, was the man on Flight 93 over Pennsylvania who called on his cell phone to alert an operator from United Airlines about the hijacking. When he learned of the other three passenger planes that had been used as weapons, Todd dropped his phone and uttered the words, "Let's roll," which authorities believe was a signal to the other passengers to confront the terrorist hijackers. In one hour, a transformation occurred among the passengers -athletes, business people and parents. -- from sheep to sheepdogs and together they fought the wolves, ultimately saving an unknown number of lives on the ground.

    There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. - Edmund Burke. Here is the point I like to emphasize, especially to the thousands of police officers and soldiers I speak to each year. In nature the sheep, real sheep, are born as sheep. Sheepdogs are born that way, and so are wolves. They didn't have a choice. But you are not a critter. As a human being, you can be whatever you want to be. It is a conscious, moral decision.

    If you want to be a sheep, then you can be a sheep and that is okay, but you must understand the price you pay. When the wolf comes, you and your loved ones are going to die if there is not a sheepdog there to protect you. If you want to be a wolf, you can be one, but the sheepdogs are going to hunt you down and you will never have rest, safety, trust or love. But if you want to be a sheepdog and walk the warrior's path, then you must make a conscious and moral decision every day to dedicate, equip and prepare yourself to thrive in that toxic, corrosive moment when the wolf comes knocking at the door.

    For example, many officers carry their weapons in church. They are well concealed in ankle holsters, shoulder holsters or inside-the-belt holsters tucked into the small of their backs. Anytime you go to some form of religious service, there is a very good chance that a police officer in your congregation is carrying. You will never know if there is such an individual in your place of worship, until the wolf appears to massacre you and your loved ones.

    I was training a group of police officers in Texas, and during the break, one officer asked his friend if he carried his weapon in church. The other cop replied, "I will never be caught without my gun in church." I asked why he felt so strongly about this, and he told me about a cop he knew who was at a church massacre in Ft. Worth, Texas in 1999. In that incident, a mentally deranged individual came into the church and opened fire, gunning down fourteen people. He said that officer believed he could have saved every life that day if he had been carrying his gun. His own son was shot, and all he could do was throw himself on the boy's body and wait to die. That cop looked me in the eye and said, "Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself after that?"

    Some individuals would be horrified if they knew this police officer was carrying a weapon in church. They might call him paranoid and would probably scorn him. Yet these same individuals would be enraged and would call for "heads to roll" if they found out that the airbags in their cars were defective, or that the fire extinguisher and fire sprinklers in their kids' school did not work. They can accept the fact that fires and traffic accidents can happen and that there must be safeguards against them.

    Their only response to the wolf, though, is denial, and all too often their response to the sheepdog is scorn and disdain. But the sheepdog quietly asks himself, "Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself if your loved ones were attacked and killed, and you had to stand there helplessly because you were unprepared for that day?"

    It is denial that turns people into sheep. Sheep are psychologically destroyed by combat because their only defense is denial, which is counterproductive and destructive, resulting in fear, helplessness and horror when the wolf shows up.

    Denial kills you twice. It kills you once, at your moment of truth when you are not physically prepared: you didn't bring your gun, you didn't train. Your only defense was wishful thinking. Hope is not a strategy. Denial kills you a second time because even if you do physically survive, you are psychologically shattered by your fear, helplessness and horror at your moment of truth.

    Gavin de Becker puts it like this in Fear Less, his superb post-9/11 book, which should be required reading for anyone trying to come to terms with our current world situation: "...denial can be seductive, but it has an insidious side effect. For all the peace of mind deniers think they get by saying it isn't so, the fall they take when faced with new violence is all the more unsettling."

    Denial is a save-now-pay-later scheme, a contract written entirely in small print, for in the long run, the denying person knows the truth on some level. And so the warrior must strive to confront denial in all aspects of his life, and prepare himself for the day when evil comes.

    If you are a warrior who is legally authorized to carry a weapon and you step outside without that weapon, then you become a sheep, pretending that the bad man will not come today. No one can be "on" 24/7, for a lifetime. Everyone needs down time. But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself..."Baa."

    This business of being a sheep or a sheep dog is not a yes-no dichotomy. It is not an all-or-nothing, either-or choice. It is a matter of degrees, a continuum. On one end is an abject, head-in-the-sand-sheep and on the other end is the ultimate warrior. Few people exist completely on one end or the other.

    Most of us live somewhere in between. Since 9-11 almost everyone in America took a step up that continuum, away from denial. The sheep took a few steps toward accepting and appreciating their warriors, and the warriors started taking their job more seriously. The degree to which you move up that continuum, away from sheephood and denial, is the degree to which you and your loved ones will survive, physically and psychologically at your moment of truth.

    "If it weren’t For the United States Military and the Local Police, there would Be No United States of America”
     
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    Yeah, that's unfortunate isn't it? :frown1:

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    I really liked reading that post. I remember about 10 years ago I went to a friends wedding. They are Jewish, but the sister of the bride was dating a christian guy and he was a member of the wedding party. Before the service (at a synagogue) they handed him a pistol (.38/3" barrel). He was a 19 year old civilian with absoluttely no training. He knew me from school, years ago, and asked me wtf he should do with it. I put the gun back in it's holster and put it under his belt under his jacket. Maybe not the smartest thing to do. I was just shocked by their level of concern that something could have happened. (and why they armed a dumb kid) I still wonder how many were armed that day. I think it is interesting how different groups today have heightened levels of awareness for different things.
     
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    Skirting the rest and direct to your question. This is my sole opinion.

    The "sheep" are at war with each other.

    Politics rules the day and clouds the mind. Americans are locked in an idealogical battle with each other and that leaves little room for "exterior" threats. Especially when the politics of the day is interwoven with the threat creating an even deeper devide. Truth and reality cease to matter when hatred & disdain are brought into play.

    What would be interesting is to know where this gentleman places Political figures. Are they wolves, or sheep. They sure as hell aren't sheepdogs with the overall "flock's" safety in mind. They look to themselves, manipulate and devide the "sheep" to further their own interest.

    That is just touching the tip of the iceberg but I think it's important to note.
     
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    That has been posted before a while back (I think by firefighter184?) but it's definitely one that's worth a repost.


    The bottom line is that we are in a global tug of war for our way of life, and the people on the other end of the rope don't mind being dragged into the mud. The islamofascist's goal is to comform everyone in this world to their way of life (Sharia Law) and they don't care if you are a Republican, Democrat, Socialist, Communist, Anarchist etc. They want you to bend and submit to the "will of Allah" regardless of your race, creed or nationality (except for Jews, apparently they must all die).

    Anyone who thinks that "winning the hearts and minds" of islamic fundamentalists is wise or even remotely possible has deluded themselves and denied all evidence before them.

    I actually agree with Rumsfeld that these people are akin to the Nazis and those who push for appeasement are a direct correlation to the Nazi sympathizers of WWII. These people do not just want to be left alone, they do not want their fair share of anything, they do not want independence or self-governance. They want the comlpete and total submission of the rest of the world to their way of life.
     
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    Good points though James.
     
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    That's the first time I've read anything from him. Heard nothing but good things, but damn, I'm impressed on how he breaks it down.
     
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    You and I know what the Muslim extremeists want, it has been blatantly laid out in public, and by the Commander in Chief last Tuesday in front of the world media. I was basically asking rhetorical questions hoping to maybe open some eyes that aren't open. Apparently they are open, but they can't see anything but sand.

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    Well, it is the Middle East, should we be expecting lush, tropical jungles and snowy mountain forests????????????????????:p:

    Just like Desert Rat posted, most people are sheep. All they care about is right now. They deny any possible future existance any further than their own personal lives. They don't sit and watch videos and get briefings from people higher up on the food chain that lays it out on the line, nor does the media spoon feed this information to them, therefore they do not care. They do not understand the ruthlessness and motivation of the enemy, therefore they do not care. They do not comprehend the psychology of those involved, therefore they do not care.

    I wish my grandparents were still around. What was the American mindset prior to WW2? Was most Americans like they are now, complacent about those things that did not directly affect them? Did FDR allow Pearl Harbor to happen because he saw the "sheep mentality" and knowing that something like Pearl Harbor would awaken the American people to the threat from abroad?

    Very little of the War on Terror except what is going on in the Middle East makes "The Nightly News" therefore there is very little thought about it. The people don't hear about all the little things happening. They are not told about the school children being brought up to hate us. They are not aware of the video games that are made to expand that hate. When it comes to hate, most people think if it's not whites hating blacks, then there is nothing there. They have no comprehension of how bad these clowns hate us. What's even worse is they have no respect for them. That's what separates the men from the boys in this sport. Warriors will hate their enemy for what they stand for, but they will respect their enemy.

    We can thank the American media for being a bunch of lap dogs for 99% of the complacentcy.....................
     
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    Oh--its TRUE all right!..

    Yep--the towelhead pres of Iran IS coming--to BOSTON!!--to "speak" at Harvard university!...our govenor "Mitt" Rommney is pissed!--he stated on the 11 o clock news last night NO secret service or police protection will be autorized for him by the govenors office while he's "visiting"jere!:waytogo:
    ..said "its a slap in the face of every american,to even welcome HIM here!'...but of course,a judge overuled his decision this morning,and the state police MUST follow him and his entourage around everywhere they go!...I hope someone shoots the S.O.B.!..:crazy:
     
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    He is also speaking at the UN. What a fuggin joke.
     
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    I wish my grandparents were still around. What was the American mindset prior to WW2? Was most Americans like they are now, complacent about those things that did not directly affect them? Did FDR allow Pearl Harbor to happen because he saw the "sheep mentality" and knowing that something like Pearl Harbor would awaken the American people to the threat from abroad?

    If my memory of what I have heard is correct that was exactly what happened
     
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    I really don't see any difference in Americas Forign policy concerning the occupation of Iraq. We have been in Germany And Japan since WWII. In Korea since the fifties. 15 years is nothing compared to these.
     
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    This is a very interesting read. Thanks for posting it Desert Rat. It’s funny; every time I step onto a commercial airplane, I step on knowing that if I had to, I could fly and land the plane safely. I still often wonder what would have happen if I was on one of those airplanes.
     
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    Actually applying his criteria to each politician would be quite easy. I heard a guy on the radio today call into a talk show. He was a former Delta Force guy and served in Somalia. He basically said that when people go to the polls in the upcoming election, the question they need to ask themselves of each candidate is "Is this guy working for the good of the American people, or the enemy?". I think the article addressed even politicians here:



    In other words, as a politician are you working towards a safe society by voting to equip, support, and maintain a quantity of sheepdogs to do the job? Or, are you putting your own personal agenda ahead of the good of the country for political gain? Are you actively engaged in the battle, which doesn't necessarily mean fighting yourself, or are you working against the interests of the sheepdogs on the front lines? I think politicians can clearly be held up to the scrutiny described in the article, and I think we should do it more often. Clearly many politicians choose to put their head in the sand, ignore potential threats, and concentrate on aggrandizing themselves. They are gambling on nothing happening, or if something does, to someone else. A fallback position for some of them is that if something bad happens, maybe they can spin it to place blame on anyone but themselves or their party. Such is the sickness that infects some of our politicians.
     

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