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Why is my Z71 a lowrider?

Discussion in '1992-Present Chevy & GMC models' started by ChevyHuny, Feb 9, 2002.

  1. ChevyHuny

    ChevyHuny 1/2 ton status

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    This may sound silly but why is my Z71 so low to the ground? A TWO YEAR OLD could step up into it without a problem. Its stock and all but shouldnt they sit a little higher. It even sits lower then the non Z71s wich I know the Z71 package doesnt make much of a diff. Its not that old (1996). Its practically as low as a cadi.
     
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    it's low cus we....er... you haven't lifted it yet. [​IMG]

    what color are your torsion bars?



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    cause GM was dumb....you see all that frame under the cab?? well, that frame, instead of running straight all the way from the front to the rear, bends down towards the ground under the cab. this is so all the older folk can easily get in and out of their truck, and it still be 4x4. ford and dodges are harder to get into because the cab is higher up....(no dip in the frame) check out a dodge or ford truck...their frames go pretty straight from to back [​IMG]

    just turn your tbars up to level with the rear....of course, you won't gain height or anything much other than looks and a little better ride.

    <font color=blue>Shorts</font color=blue>

    '94 K1500
     
  4. ChevyHuny

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    I see, but why are allot of other STOCK chevy trucks higher then mine???? Same trucks, same stuff, all stock but mine sits so much lower?????

    If you didnt build it, it isnt really yours.........
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    It doesn't matter if the frame hangs down. it should still be taller then a non z71.
    Can you explain your frame theory more please. I just don't see the logic behind it. It all depends on the suspension set up. If you look at a blazer frame, it is stepped.
    My brothers frame on his truck is flat..but isn't sky high. my cherokee has a unibody but it also has a coil spring suspension set up, so it doesn't need a stepped frame to allow for suspension mounts. and it is shorter then her Z-71 so that idea didn't pan out.



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    AH thanks Jeremy, I can stop scratching my head then. Cuz the back end sits the same as the front end. Its not any higher. If I turned the torsions bars then the front end would be higher then the rear cuz they both sit the same hight LOW.

    If you didnt build it, it isnt really yours.........
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    This is might be obvious, but it looks like from your website that your Z71 runs smaller tires than it probably came with. My 93 non-Z came with 265/75r16s, and those would raise it up a little, and look better.

    adam
     
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    Wow I thought those were the stock tires. Thanks for pointing that out :) Thanks for checking out my website too!

    If you didnt build it, it isnt really yours.........
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    the p.o. probly towed or hauled lots of heavy stuff and wore out the srpings .... or they are defective , but be careful how much u turn up the tbars cuz itll probly sag back down eventually even lower .

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    They are small tires, 245/75/R16.
    I wont turn my torsion bars up since I did that on my 93 and it made a horrible noise. I will just buy the bigger tires since I need them anyway and if that doesnt help the 4 inch lift will. When I can afford it of course.
    Its a 96 so Im hoping the springs are not warn out by now.

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    UMMM..I think the ZR2 is what your thinking of which is 3" taller &amp; about 4" wider then stock, and only available in the smaller s-10. The Z71 package however was billstin shocks, diffrent spring rate than normal, yet same hight as normal, skid plates, and a fractionally larger (taller) tire, which would raise it above a "stock" 4wd. Maybe the tire size is the diffrence?

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    The frame thing kinda makes sense. But I think the diffrence between hights is because of the floor pan. If you look under a late model chevy the floor comes across the rails then slants down, that angle is different on diffrent manufactures. Which was probably the point.

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    I am comparing my truck to all other stock CHEVY FULLSIZE PICKUPS. Its lower then trucks that are the exactly same make, model and YEAR as mine stock. Im not talking about any other kind of truck or chevy truck of a different model. Just Fullsize Pickups the same year as mine. They all sit higher then MY truck. So that is what my question was about. I found out that my truck has smaller then stock tires and that could definatly be the problem. But Im not comparing it to ZR2 or any other model.

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    So you are saying the frame detirmines the height of the truck? so a flat frame is gonna be higher?. My thoughts of why the floor is shaped that way is it allows for interior room and keeps the truck at a safer center of gravity. so the frame is stepped to match. My 89 Jeep Cherokee has a flat "frame" it is a unibody set up and runs a tire one size smaller then her chevy truck with it's stepped frame. The suspension is what detirmines the height of the truck. I could make a stepped frame set taller then a flat frame and I can make a flat frame sit lower then a stepped frame..so I still am staying with my opinion on this.



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    Yes, no one (at least not me) is debating the suspension, ie springs, determining the overall hight of the vehicle. All I was saying was the entry into the vehicle would be lower, because the body sits lower on the frame than on some modles. So even though your "stepped" could sit taller than any flat frame (which is entirely true). You could make the body fit aronud the frame causing the bottom and only the bottom of the door an inch. from the ground (although this would be silly) So in answer to your question the frame does not determine the hight. The body and how it is placed on the frame does however. Which is what we were saying all along. So we agree. As far as Chevyhun, I by no means ment that you did not know the diffrence, or you were comparing it to other modles. I was more virifing the Z71 options with you the owner, and my own experances. Sorry if I insulted you. It was not delibret. It's just trucks here, can't we all just get along?

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    I think the confusion started with the quItote... "doesn't matter if the frame hangs down. it should still be taller then a non z71" oops. sorry Chevyhun.

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    Okay thats fine, i just wasn't looking at the full picture, and yes we can get along. As long as you don't hate Jeeps,LOL



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    jeeps are fine by me. I just don't like being mistaken for one, bronco is worse!

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    Yes, no one (at least not me) is debating the suspension, ie springs, determining the overall hight of the vehicle. All I was saying was the entry into the vehicle would be lower, because the body sits lower on the frame than on some modles. So even though your "stepped" could sit taller than any flat frame (which is entirely true). You could make the body fit aronud the frame causing the bottom and only the bottom of the door an inch. from the ground (although this would be silly) So in answer to your question the frame does not determine the hight. The body and how it is placed on the frame does however. Which is what we were saying all along. So we agree. As far as Chevyhun, I by no means ment that you did not know the diffrence, or you were comparing it to other modles. I was more virifing the Z71 options with you the owner, and my own experances. Sorry if I insulted you. It was not delibret. It's just trucks here, can't we all just get along?

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    Oh I wasnt offended at all! :) I just wanted to make it clear to everyone that I was only comparing my truck to trucks the same year, model and make as my truck. Allot of other trucks came up in the posts and comparing like dodge and the Zr2. Thats why I wanted to make it clear that Im not comparing it to those models and why mine may be lower then those trucks but why is mine lower then other trucks the SAME as mine. I felt like noone (besides 55willy) was understanding my question. Thats all, Im not mad. Thanks for your posts in trying to answer my question :o)

    I agree with the Tire thing becuase my tires are small on my truck so you and anyone who said that I agree with that and possibly my springs could be worn out I agree with that too. Just trying to figure out how to approach this and what I should look for in order to fix it since Im NOT GOOD when it comes to suspension LOL..:o) I was noticing that all the other trucks (z71 silverados) or just plain (silverados) were all much taller then mine and they were stock as well. So I am questioning as to why.


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    geez people - the frame thing did yall in??? [​IMG] [​IMG] i'm not saying the frame is the only reason for the truck being lower than other trucks. there are tons of factors: tires size, tire psi, spring rates, age of suspension/truck...i'm saying for overall asthetics, the big frame hanging down adds that lowto the ground look.

    ok, talking in general here....
    the stepped frame makes for a lower step in height, so the cab is lower....to make the rocker panels of the cab and thebody panels(getting the bottom of the fendersto line up with the cab) , the fenders are all lower to the ground as well. am i making any sense here? everything is relative to the height of the step in height. if you go and measure the ground clearance at the front diff or whatever the lowest point is, the truck sits about as high as other trucks. BUT if you go off road, a chevy will get high centered on that big hunk of frame that hangs down in order to accompany a low step in height.

    all in all, comparing your truck to another of the same make model and year, it'll come down to spring rate and tire size.

    ...ok...how everybody out of curiosity, how about measuring the suspension height on your trucks? measure from the CENTER of the center cap of the wheel to the bottom lip of the fender. do not measure from the ground to the fender, or the top of the tire to the fender........that adds the variable of tire size and psi. do this all around and get a front and rear measurement.

    here's mine:

    '94 K1500

    front: 21.25"
    rear: 21.5"

    fyi, on the ORC board, we've got an old post brought up with tons of measurememts...http://bbs.off-road.com/wwwthreads//showflat.pl?Cat=&amp;Board=offroadchevstandard&amp;Number=702008&amp;page=0&amp;view=collapsed&amp;sb=5


    ...sorry about the long post and links(i don't know how to to tag in the link to a word thing) [​IMG]

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    '94 K1500
     

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