and it didnt hurt at all really. all my friends were like oh yur too much of a pussy to get em pierced yull chicken out. it wasnt ne where near as bad as i was expecting!! when the guy put the plugs in it hurt more than the actual needle! i was so suprised! i was like "i got all nervous over THAT?" lol im so proud of myself . hahaha oh by the way theyre both 12ga to start.