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Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by SkulzNBonz, Jul 27, 2006.

  1. SkulzNBonz

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    This is one of the best I have read. Its long, but worth the time to finish.

    Then look around and see what's going on!

    Subject: Word War III


    This shouild be read by every living American who can read. I would hope that they also could comprehend what this man has said.

    Subject: Word War III

    The author, Dr. Chong, is a retired Air Force Surgeon and past commander
    of Wilford Hall Medical Center in San Antonio. He is connected to Veterans
    affairs in California, and these are his thoughts. They are worth reading
    and thinking about. A Google search will direct you to some of his other
    thought-provoking writings.

    Subject: Muslims, terrorist and the USA. A different spin on Iraq war.

    This WAR is for REAL!

    Dr. Vernon Chong, Major General, USAF, Retired


    To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go through it. Our country is
    now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as we know it, that we
    have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes WWII).

    The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there are very
    few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer who realize
    what losing really means.

    First, let's examine a few basics:

    1. When did the threat to us start?
    Many will say September 11, 2001. The answer as far as the United State is
    concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001, with the following
    attacks on us:

    * Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979;
    * Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983;
    * Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983;
    * Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988;
    * First New York World Trade Center attack 1993;
    * Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996;
    * Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 1998;
    * Dares Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998;
    * Aden, Yemen USS Cole 2000;
    * New York World Trade Center 2001;
    * Pentagon 2001.

    (Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 terrorist
    attacks worldwide).

    2. Why was the U.S. attacked?

    Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks happened
    during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and
    Bush II. We cannot fault either the Republicans or Democrats as there were no
    provocations by any of the presidents or their immediate predecessors,
    Presidents Ford or Carter.

    3. Who were the attackers?

    In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims.

    4. What is the Muslim population of the World? 25%.

    5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful?

    Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that the
    predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under the
    dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that made no
    difference. You either went along with the administration or you were
    eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the Nazis for
    political reasons (including 7,000 Polish priests). (see
    http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm )

    Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis, as the
    six million holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and we seldom heard of
    anything other than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler kept the world
    focused on the Jews, he had no hesitancy about killing anyone who got in his
    way of exterminating the Jews or of taking over the world - German,
    Christian or any others.

    Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the US, but kill
    all in the way -- their own people or the Spanish, French or anyone else.
    The point here is that just like the peaceful Germans were of no protection
    to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many peaceful Muslims there may be,
    they are no protection for us from the terrorist Muslim leaders and what
    they are fanatically bent on doing -- by their own pronouncements -- killing
    all of us "infidels." I don't blame the peaceful Muslims. What would you do
    if the choice was shut up or die?

    6. So who are we at war with?

    There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than the
    Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid verbalizing
    this conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win if you don't
    clearly recognize and articulate who you are fighting.

    So with that background, now to the two major questions:

    1. Can we lose this war?

    2. What does losing really mean?

    If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions

    We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as it may sound, the major
    reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom the answer to
    the second question - What does losing mean?

    It would appear that a great many of us think that losing the war means
    hanging our heads, bringing the troops home and going on about our business,
    like post Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one can get.

    What losing really means is:

    We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks will not
    subside, but rather will steadily increase. Remember, they want us dead, not
    just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they would not have produced
    an increasing series of attacks against us, over the past 18 years. The plan
    was clearly, for terrorist to attack us, until we were neutered and
    submissive to them.

    We would of course have no future support from other nations, for fear of
    reprisals and for the reason that they would see, we are impotent and cannot
    help them.

    They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time. It will be
    increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. It doesn't
    matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw its troops from
    Iraq. Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed their train and told
    them to withdraw the troops. Anything else they want Spain to do will be
    done. Spain is finished.

    The next will probably be France. Our one hope on France is that they might
    see the light and realize that if we don't win, they are finished too, in
    that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists without us. However, it may
    already be too late for France. France is already 20% Muslim and fading
    fast!

    If we lose the war, our production, income, exports and way of life will all
    vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal with us, if they
    were threatened by the Muslims. If we can't stop the Muslims, how could
    anyone else?

    The Muslims fully know what is riding on this war, and therefore are
    completely committed to winning, at any cost. We better know it too and be
    likewise committed to winning at any cost.

    Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple. Until we
    recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really put 100% of our
    thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to take that 100% effort
    to win.

    So, how can we lose the war?

    Again, the answer is simple. We can lose the war by "imploding." That is,
    defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize the enemy and their purpose,
    and really digging in and lending full support to the war effort If we are
    united, there is no way that we can lose. If we continue to be divided,
    there is no way that we can win!

    Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend the life
    and death seriousness of this situation.

    President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of Transportation.
    Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men between
    17 and 40 years of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow profiling. Does
    that sound like we are taking this thing seriously? This is war! For the
    duration, we are going to have to give up some of the civil rights we have
    become accustomed to. We had better be prepared to lose some of our civil
    rights temporarily or we will most certainly lose all of them permanently.

    And don't worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of civil
    rights during WWII, and immediately restored them after the victory and in
    fact added many more since then.

    Do I blame President Bush or President Clinton before him?

    No, I blame us for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our Political
    Correctness, and all of our civil rights during this conflict and have a
    clean, lawful, honorable war. None of those words apply to war. Get them out
    of your head.

    Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the
    Administration that it almost seems they would literally like to see us
    lose. I hasten to add that this isn't because they are disloyal. It is
    because they just don't recognize what losing means. Nevertheless, that
    conduct gives the impression to the enemy that we are divided and weakening.
    It concerns our friends, and it does great damage to our cause.

    Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and media
    regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war, perhaps exemplifies best
    what I am saying. We have recently had an issue, involving the treatment of
    a few Muslim prisoners of war, by a small group of our military police.
    These are the type prisoners who just a few months ago were throwing their
    own people off buildings, cutting off their hands, cutting out their tongues
    and otherwise murdering their own people just for disagreeing with Saddam
    Hussein.

    And just a few years ago these same type prisoners chemically killed 400,000
    of their own people for the same reason. They are also the same type of
    enemy fighters, who recently were burning Americans, and dragging their
    charred corpses through the streets of Iraq.

    And still more recently, the same type of enemy that was and is providing
    videos to all news sources internationally, of the beheading of American
    prisoners they held.

    Compare this with some of our press and politicians, who for several days
    have thought and talked about nothing else but the "humiliating" of some
    Muslim prisoners -- not burning them, not dragging their charred corpses
    through the streets, not beheading them, but "humiliating" them.

    Can this be for real?

    The politicians and pundits have even talked of impeachment of the Secretary
    of Defense. If this doesn't show the complete lack of comprehension and
    understanding of the seriousness of the enemy we are fighting, the life and
    death struggle we are in and the disastrous results of losing this war,
    nothing can.

    To bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this prisoner
    issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned -- totally
    oblivious to what is going on in the real world. Neither we, nor any other
    country, can survive this internal strife. Again I say, this does not mean
    that some of our politicians or media people are disloyal. It simply means
    that they are absolutely oblivious to the magnitude, of the situation we are
    in and into which the Muslim terrorists have been pushing us, for many
    years.

    Remember, the Muslim terrorists stated goal is to kill all infidels! That
    translates into ALL non-Muslims -- not just in the United State, but
    throughout the world.

    We are the last bastion of defense.

    We have been criticized for many years as being 'arrogant.' That charge is
    valid in at least one respect. We are arrogant in that we believe that we
    are so good, powerful and smart, that we can win the hearts and minds of all
    those who attack us, and that with both hands tied behind our back, we can
    defeat anything bad in the world!

    We can't!

    If we don't recognize this, our nation as we know it will not survive, and
    no other free country in the world will survive if we are defeated.

    And finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow
    freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of the
    press, equal rights for anyone -- let alone everyone, equal status or any
    status for women, or that have been productive in one single way that
    contributes to the good of the world.

    This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this war or we
    will be equated in the history books to the self-inflicted fall of the Roman
    Empire . If, that is, the Muslim leaders will allow history books to be
    written or read.

    If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the Muslims take
    over France in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to increase the
    Muslim population of France and continue to encroach little by little, on
    the established French traditions. The French will be fighting among
    themselves, over what should or should not be done, which will continue to
    weaken them and keep them from any united resolve. Doesn't that sound
    eerily familiar?

    Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some external
    military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away, politically correct
    piece by politically correct piece.

    And they are giving those freedoms away to those who have shown, worldwide
    that they abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or even to themselves,
    once they are in power.

    They have universally shown that when they have taken over, they then start
    brutally killing each other over who will be the few who control the masses.
    Will we ever stop hearing from the politically correct, about the "peaceful
    Muslims"?

    I close on a hopeful note, by repeating what I said above. If we are
    united, there is no way that we can lose. I hope now after the election, the
    factions in our country will begin to focus on the critical situation we are
    in, and will unite to save our country. It is your future we are talking
    about! Do whatever you can to preserve it.

    After reading the above, we all must do this not only for ourselves, but our
    children, our grandchildren, our country and the world

    Whether Democrat or Republican, conservative or liberal and that include the
    Politicians and media of our country and the free world!

    Please forward this to any you feel may want, or NEED to read it. Our
    "leaders" in Congress ought to read it, too. There are those that find fault
    with our country, but it is obvious to anyone who truly thinks through this,
    that we must UNITE!

    If you would like to see who this fellow is go to this Air Force web
    sight and look him up. http://www.af.mil/bios/alpha.asp?alpha=C



     
  2. jekbrown

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    like Stuff mag said though, 'Cipro never cured anyone hit by a nuke'. At some point they will probably force us to bust out da-bomb. Only real question is, how many Americans will have to die first. If on 9-12 we had nuked Damascus, Tehran and Kabul... I gaurentee the amount of terrorist BS happening right now would be 99.9% less. Yes, our enemy is fanatical.. but so were the Japanese and we got them to bow down. No one can withstand the power of the atom.

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    I agree, but unfortunately our balls, as a nation, have atrophied. We are not the nation of our grandfathers any longer, we do not, as a whole have the strength of will to force submission from an enemy, because we are too concerned that they like us. We want to make sure that we can be friends with our enemies once the fighting is over. Our participation in the United Nations is largely to blame for this, it has turned the US and the other actual powerful nations into a bunch of little school girls engaging in a global poplularity contest, and including sh*thole tinpot dictatorships and banana republics in our affairs as equals.

    Until we remove ourselves from the "global stage" that is the UN circus show, we will always bow to lesser govts and countries will, regardless of what is in our best interest. I for one do not believe that "unilateral" is a bad word.

    I thought for a while after 9/11 that it would cause our balls to drop again and for us to become the America that was; the "Sleeping Giant" that Yamamoto referred to after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. The world was horrified when we finally opened up that can of unashamed, unadultered whoop-ass. But nobody f*cked with us for a long time, especially not on our own soil. Unfortunately we have been effectively neutered as a superpower, and I fear that it is irreversible.
     
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    Oh... I think The Sleeping giant could be woke up again. Problem is that one of out large city's will be incinerated before that happens. Unfortunately we are allowing our worst enemys ever arm themselves with nukes. When that happens the $hit will realty hit the rotary oscillator. I hope Bush is Da man who has the balls to strike Iran before it is too late. A few well placed W88s would be a nice way to welcome for Iran to the nuclear club.
     
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    "We cannot fault either the Republicans or Democrats"

    And that is the problem in a nutshell when it comes to unity, the country is already split in half through vitriolic politics. Do a search of the word Democrat on this site for glaring example. Listen to Air America for Republican scorn. Look at the prefabricated news: Cnn for Liberals and Fox for Conservatives. There is no shortage of political contempt in America, I wouldn't expect unity any time soon. We are too busy trying to eliminate each other.



    Good article John. :bow: The only other quiet enemy he left out was China.
     
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    i wish there would be an "accident" at irans and koreas nuclear plants...

    i agree with you though..i think many people took sept11, but they would not be able to take another attack and i think the U.S. would just go nuts andturn everyone responsible into dust
     
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    The question is ,will you be able to withstand the atom?
     
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    Can-Can the Atom Man. I sense a new tweakanator pic coming on.
     
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    cliff notes?
     
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    A freakin men!

    perfectly put.... Our country is so wussified now it's not funny... Makes me sad.... If 9/11 wasn't enough of an eye-opener, I'm doubting a nuked city will be... How crazy is that?
     
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    The question, Stan, is what will it take for you to acknowledge that this Canada's problem too? There are 17 men being held right now in this country after being charged with, among other things, conspiracy to commit terrorist acts, which included bombing our very own Parliament buildings in Ottawa.

    When another fanatical group finally launches a successful terrorist attack on Canadian soil, will you be convinced that there's a problem? Or will it have to affect you directly before you'll want to do something about it? :thinking:
     
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    It's all our fault.. We deserve it and have it coming..... It's because of our policies from the 70's when the attacks first started.... It has nothing to do with radical muslims wanting to rid the world of infidels... They're actually great guys with witty senses of humor who are just misunderstood... :rolleyes: :(

    Back to reality..... Just keep sitting up there in woods hitting the snooze button and rooting for our demise... We certainly appreciate your apathy...

    Btw, one of your fellow Canucks was killed yesterday due to Hezbollah operating in and around his U.N outpost.... Oh, thats right, it doesn't affect your little life, so who cares...

    Bet you couldn't make it thru the first couple paragraphs of that article.. Hard to stomach the truth sometimes....
     
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    Read it Jishory. It's worth it.

    We need to untie the hands of the Armed Forces and let them do their job. I understand the whole innocents arguement the the bad guys know how we feel and are counting on us to continue to act the way we are.

    Big, big bombs. Maybe not atom size but big bombs all the same to shut them the hell up and leave us alone!
     
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    hold on a minute I think he just meant that "going nuclear" might not be agood idea. Not that we deserve this terriosit scum
     
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    Nah, I can read between the lines with him.... I remember his past arguments on the subject... He rarely posts, but our conservative banter gets to him occasionally I suppose...

    If he doesn't espouse those views, my bad, and he can correct me.. But I'm pretty confident in my assessment of his position... I remember the thread in particular where he said we had 9/11 coming or shouldn't have been surprised due to our policies and I WILL go find it if need be...
     
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    In my opinion the only way we can make it through these dark days is to have a 4 way pact between the 4 (main) English speaking countries, the U.S. Canada, U.K. and Australia. Then we tell every muslim country to shape up or get 24 hour bombardment like Germany got in WW2, and if so much as one inch of territory is touched in any of the four country's then a city in every muslim country gets nuked...........
     
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    I see, disregard my above comment Flame away
     
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    Good day to you Paul. Let's just say that Stan gets a little nervous when people say "let's nuke this or that" . Right now there is a problem with these Muslim countries, so let's just nuke Damascas, Tehran, and Baghdad for the fun of it. Problem solved! Problem will have just started. It seems some people are not really big on the French these days, so why not just throw one on Paris. It was always Moscow in the past, so when Russia becomes a financial powerhouse in the future again, and since we are in the mood, bye-bye 'white russians' for you. You know Paul, Calgary is starting to get pretty big. Did you really all out think about my earlier sentence (post) or did you reply the way you did because Stan is not on the all out right wing, capitolist, extremist team. Isn't it interesting that if you are not totally on this team, you are automatically pegged as a Muslim supporter, 911 supporter, in general, anti-american. What a load of sh$t. What do those 17 idiots have to do with my earlier post? Or is this just a natural way for an extremist to reply . You should know better. Have a nice week end and that is one heck of a nice looking truck and boat you got. Later!
     
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    Hello to you, Stan.

    Let's just say I get nervous when a large majority of our countrymen seem to think that this ''threat" doesn't apply to Canadians. And if they do indeed understand that the "threat" is a problem, they just kind of ignore it hoping it will go away. Both options, in this case, scare me.

    The truth is, Stan, as Canadians we seem to think we're exempt from actually having to take a stand or pick a side in a fight. That WILL have to change someday, and hopefully by the time that happens, it won't be too late.

    As far as the extremist comment, you really don't know me well enough to sling those kind of words at me. You wanna get to know me? Ask Rene for my phone #.......:deal:

    A- Your point?

    B- Why the heck do you think I moved to Canmore, and will eventually retire in a rural setting?

    Thanks. I'll catch a couple of nice Rainbows on your behalf this weekend. :thumb:
     
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    I think a nuke would be a huge mistake.
    IMMEDIATELY targeting and eliminating any leader of any terrorist group that does the US harm seems a much more effective plan.
    What was the Tom Clancy movie where the President televised the bombing of a clerics safehouse that was heading a terrorist group???? Make the message LOUD and CLEAR to the rest of the world.
    We do not need anyone to help us with this problem. Divided commands make divided decisions, that are at best, compromises. The rest of the world may bitch about our actions, but they want and need our business, so life will go on. Israel is on the right track-quick, overwhelming retaliation is the only answer to people who support an irrational agenda.
     

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