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14 bolt price, opinions please??

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Hey all,

ive got a guy offering to sell me a FF 14 bolt rear, which everyone has said i shouldnt pay more than 150 bucks for, but this one includes all the parts to swap it over to disk brakes, or so he says, he mentioned the calipers, rotors, and brackets, im assuming all the small parts are also included. He's asking 275 for the whole deal.

125 for a pair of calipers, pair of rotors, and hardware dosnt seem all that outrageous to me, in fact it seems like a pretty damn good deal to me, but i wanted to check with you guys to make sure.

also, ive found an indication that there are two different... lengths of 14 bolts, and that for a 1973-1987 i want the one that has a distance between the leaf spring center pins of 42-3/4in. Im going to ask the guy to measure that distance and get back to me.
 
It all depends on what gears it has and what kind of shape everything else is in.

The spring perches are a different width on the 1 ton rear ends, so definitely measure it and make sure it will work for you (you can move/replace the perches but its a huge pain).

$275 is probably worth it
 
Ok I've been wrong once already so let's see if I can muck it up again.:haha:

Since you said you won't be doing much hard wheeling, have you thought about trying to find a 6-lug 14bsf with the same gears as your front has now?

That way you wouldn't have to worry about changing the front at all.
 
Id say 275 is worth it if it has the disc brakes, but thats still a little much. Mine wasnt that much and it came with a detroit and 4.10's and drums. I usually sell them for 75.00 if it has a govbomb and 125 if its open.
 
as for the condition of everything, its all apart he said. so either they took it apart to make it easier to move, or they started rebuilding it. Im not sure what gears are in the thing, but he said he had a set of 5.13 gears for it. Although thats way deeper than i want. im looking at the stock 4.10 or 4.11 gears, whatever it came with from the factory.

in regards to the 6 vs 8 lug, im actually trying to get up to the 8 lug axles, i want to run the H1 style beadlock rims, its a military truck, so to me its cool to have the military rims. plus the added perk of being able to change tires myself. That way when i go crawling not only can i air down, but if i somehow rip a hole in a tire, i only need the 4 rims, and carry just the tire in the back, saving me the 45 or so pounds of a fifth steel rim. and i plan on upping the anti to 36 or 37 inch tires, so i dont want to run the stock 10 bolts with tires that big. even though i can get those beadlocks made for a six lug flange. Kinda subscribing to the overbuilt theory of truck building. the 14 bolts are plentiful enough that i dont feel bad putting one in my rig for the added insurance, despite the fact that its not really a very serious truck. but i have accepted i dont need the D60, so ill be looking for an 8 lug 10 bolt or D44 for the front.

besides, its easier to sell a matched pair of complete and ready to roll axles, than to have spare parts of a frankenstein project laying around. So id rather pull the front and rear 10 bolts i have now, unmolested, to sell. and then worry about piecing together what i need for the replacement axles.

although you are correct, a six lug 14 bolt would be easier :doah:
 
oneton - trust me, the major selling point is the parts for the disk brake conversion, i havent asked which carrier it has. i dont know why i didnt think to ask THAT question :doah:. i asked just about everything else.

although i also emailed a guy with an unmolested SF 14b and offered him 75.00 for it, but i havent heard back. with my budget, i might wind up passing on the FF with the disk brake parts if the other guy will take the 75 for the SF axle.
 
if i were going to go 3/4 ton id go FF just because if you break an axle you may be able to drive off on it.
 
oh i agree, but really, im more concerned with the disk brakes. The wheeling i do probly is no where near enough to make even a SF 14 bolt break a sweat. id be dumbfounded if i broke an axle. really the worst wheeling i do is GWNF, and even then its a rare occasion. So SF or FF dosnt really make a difference for me. and if i remember correctly, the SF actually has a bit more ground clearance.
 
ok, the FF axle is out of an 87 15 passenger G-van. and he said the spring pearches are 50in center pin to center pin. ill have to go check my truck, but i had read i was looking for an axle with a center pin to center pin of 42-3/4 inches, so i think this axle is too big eh?

allthough....... the wider axle might allow me to run the H1 double beadlocks on the back without spacers or pressed centers :-D although id need spacers up front.

think im just being too optimistic????
 
K5dreamer said:
ok, the FF axle is out of an 87 15 passenger G-van. and he said the spring pearches are 50in center pin to center pin. ill have to go check my truck, but i had read i was looking for an axle with a center pin to center pin of 42-3/4 inches, so i think this axle is too big eh?

allthough....... the wider axle might allow me to run the H1 double beadlocks on the back without spacers or pressed centers :-D although id need spacers up front.

think im just being too optimistic????
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The Van axle has wider spring perch placement, and it's also a slightly wider axle. It'll make the rear track as wide as the front (which is narrower by 3").

If I could find a Van 14bff, I'd get it in a heartbeat and just move the spring perches.
 
so the wider axle is a good thing???? interesting....

why were the factory rear axles narrower??? or is that one of those questions weve always wondered and never had answered???

so its a FF axle - good
its from a van and is wider - good
includes parts for a disk conversion - good
needs spring perches moved - annoying? bad? hire a professional???

how hard is it to relocate the spring perches?
 
hmmm.... thats not too bad, looks like you just have new ones welded on, dosnt even look like youd have to remove the old ones. and it stands to reason that if i took it to a reputable shop, they could weld them on to correct for the 4in lift to give a proper pinion angle :)

only thing that sucks, is if i do buy this thing, imma have to build some sort of outdoor storage device to keep the weather off of it, cuz i have absolutly no room inside. :(
 
When you say "apart" do you mean the R&P are out or just the brakes are off? If the R&P are still in, and have the gears you want, $275 is a good deal for van FF14B w/ the disc brake parts. Perches are no big deal if you have a welder or know someone w/ one.
 
apart means apart. looks like they were fully disasembling in order to reassemble. i would have had to remove the ring and carrier anyway because one of the carrier bearings was damaged, probly durring removal now that i think about it. Not a big deal, i dont have the tools here with me, but ive set up rear ends before. so im not worried about that. besides, with the R&P and carrier out of the thing, it will make it easier to move around :)

but yeah, it seems like the only drawback is the spring perches, which any reputable shop with 4x4 experience should be able to setup and weld in place. so depending on fundage i might go pick all this stuff up.

also found a guy with the front axle i need.... but he wants 150... and its an 8 hour round trip to get it..... i said call me when youll take 80-100 :p:
 
K5dreamer said:
so the wider axle is a good thing???? interesting....

why were the factory rear axles narrower??? or is that one of those questions weve always wondered and never had answered???

so its a FF axle - good
its from a van and is wider - good
includes parts for a disk conversion - good
needs spring perches moved - annoying? bad? hire a professional???

how hard is it to relocate the spring perches?
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Well, I'd prefer the added stability of the extra track wide in the rear. But the narrower track width stock on the trucks makes for a smaller turning radius as I recall.

In terms of moving the perches, you cut them off and weld new ones on. They're fairly inexpensive. If you can't weld, or don't trust your welding skills, have a pro do it. It shouldn't cost a lot of money.
 
muddermilitia said:
ROADTRIP! My local jy has like two or three of em
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I was just discussing a CK5 roadtrip tonight with another member... :D

But that particular trip would just miss IL as we traveled through St. Louis.

I'm sure there's some around here, I just haven't bothered looking yet.
 
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