1982 Crewcab towrig

[dirtwarrior17]

want to back that up>?

 

[rjfguitar]

want to back that up>?

You know nothing about tow rigs, diesel engines, and towing in general. What happens in reality is exactly the opposite of what you said.

My stock ISB 24v cummins will outpull a warmed over 350-400HP 454 with a load behind it up a hill, and do it at 1800RPM's. however, a rowdy 454 with lots of HP could probably accelerate a little quicker than the smoother power of a diesel. Quite the opposite of what you think junior.

Let me put it to you this way, if a BBC was the best at pulling loads through the hills over a diesel, the 8.1L BBC from GM, the 6.8LV10 in the Ford, and the Hemi in the Dodge would outsell their diesel counterparts in the heavy duty pickup line......but they don't. Something like over %70 of the HD pickups are diesel equipped. Why you ask? Because they make more usable power, use basically half the fuel, and pull harder than any "usable" big block.

Ask your auto teacher to school you on diesel engines Monday morning.

 

[dirtwarrior17]

I don't take auto anymore i take heavy equipment in which we study diesels everyday. Thats enough of that junior crap i look older than you .... i bet you can't grow a goat yet



yes your 24v cummins will outpull a bbc but that is not what we are talking about. that motor I'm guessing would cost a hell of a lot of money to make it work in a k5. I had a job out at the lake where I saw tons of diesels and gas tow rigs try to pull their loads up long highway hills. somebody said it on here earlier that most of the diesels pre 2000 were dogs up hills... my friend had a 98 ram and it was doggin it bad with a full bed everytime it started up any incline. A bbc is cheap, more usuable power for dual road and dirt use and it will pull better up hills than any AFFORDABLE diesel. all that torque means nothing at highway speed on hills because hp is what your using on hills. I don't know the exact specs of your motor but im gonna guess its around 600 ft lbs and 350 hp. A mild big block will crank out 450 hp that is very usuable on the street and he won't have to mess with a bunch of problems during the swap and he can keep his tranny. If your gonna sit here and tell me that torque is what pulls hills you mide as well be arguing with yourself.

 

[BlueBlazer]

I was talking talking about doing similar mods to both motors. If you turbo the 6.2L then do a similar amount of work to the 6.5. Just miscommunication.

Harley

Only "mod" needed on a turboed 6.2 is turning up the maximum fuel on the pump and of course installing the turbo system. This puts it on par IMO with a stock 6.5. The Banks setup works much better than the factory turbo setup on the 6.5.

 

[BlueBlazer]

You know nothing about tow rigs, diesel engines, and towing in general. What happens in reality is exactly the opposite of what you said.

You're the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[beater_k20]

You know nothing about tow rigs, diesel engines, and towing in general. What happens in reality is exactly the opposite of what you said.

oh yes he does! his uncle's brother-in-law's nephew's uncle has a big block truck that he drives around, pulling a load, challenging diesel trucks to uphill races. he has first hand experience because of this.

 

[BlueBlazer]

To the original poster, I picked 6.2 with turbo and NV4500, if you can afford all of this, its the best bet of all the choices you gave, unless I missed something.

 

[dirtwarrior17]

nobody said anything to you

did you miss the part where i said i take heavy equipment ops and maintenence...

STFU!!!!!!!!

 

[beater_k20]

nobody said anything to you

actually, Bobby and i rarely get along, you've just reverted to "that kid" again. now appologize for your KIA attitude, admit you dont know anything, and be quiet for a few days like you always do.

how nice of you to remove the "you're bobby's boyfriend" comment...

 

[rjfguitar]

A bbc is cheap, more usuable power for dual road and dirt use and it will pull better up hills than any AFFORDABLE diesel. all that torque means nothing at highway speed on hills because hp is what your using on hills.

Does anybody find this as humorous as I do.

 

[rjfguitar]

nobody said anything to you

did you miss the part where i said i take heavy equipment ops and maintenence...

STFU!!!!!!!!

I'm trying to teach you something here. There is no need for immature personall attacking and as a moderator I won't tolerate it. I think all of us are mature enough to have a decent tech disagreement without resorting to how fat we think the other dude's mother is.

 

[rjfguitar]

You're the pot calling the kettle black.

After our little PM's, you seem like you want to play diesel Sherriff. How about doing some correcting where it's due.

 

[BlueBlazer]

You're damn right I am the diesel Sheriff, maybe I should make that my user title.

you seem like you want to play diesel Sherriff. How about doing some correcting where it's due.

I have made known what my choice was, so that's as far as I will go. The answer to everything is not to swap in a Cummins (even though you may think so). 99% of the people out there do not have the skills, money, knowhow, or motivation to swap them in.

 

[rjfguitar]

You're damn right I am the diesel Sheriff, maybe I should make that my user title.

So if you are so great than why don't you stop inflating your head and "guide" our young little friend on how engines ACTUALLY work.

 

[BlueBlazer]

I can't even tell from his posts what he does and doesn't think, so it is kind of hard to correct him, we have already gone WAY off topic on this post, if this kid wants to learn something, he can PM me or start a new thread.

 

[dirtwarrior17]

actually, Bobby and i rarely get along, you've just reverted to "that kid" again. now appologize for your KIA attitude, admit you dont know anything, and be quiet for a few days like you always do.

how nice of you to remove the "you're bobby's boyfriend" comment

lmfao at this guy.... man if you think you scared me off or something come off it... i don't spend every day on the computer.

Everytime you are the ONLY one who does this elementary school bs. are you done or should we call the waaaaaaambulance.

you post like you know my personality and how i know about diesels or anything else for that matter...

I Study and run these things every damn day.... Maybe i should sit back until somebody starts arguing with you then tell you how you know because your uncles brothers moms dog rode in the back of one....... stfu already.

 

[84_Chevy_K10]

want to back that up>?

Sure. Bring the heaviest, biggest trailer you can to Illinois next Tuesday behind whatever gas powered rig you can pull it with from CA to here without overheating.

My brand new 100% stock 2005 Ram 3500 complete with Cummins and 6 speed should be delivered that day and have approximately 500 miles on it. If you'd like to test whatever raggedy, BBC powered rig you got against my brand new Cummins that makes more torque at idle than your BBC rig probably makes at 3,000 RPM, be my guest.

Put up or shut up now, you ran your mouth, your gasser is so powerful, let's see it. I think my new truck needs a quick workout to break the rings in, and I'd enjoy laughing at a throughly modified truck losing to a race in a 100% stock truck that isn't even broken in yet.

 

[beater_k20]

you post like you know my personality and how i know about diesels or anything else for that matter...

I Study and run these things every damn day.... Maybe i should sit back until somebody starts arguing with you then tell you how you know because your uncles brothers moms dog rode in the back of one....... stfu already.

you study these things every damn day... along with an hour of english, and hour of math, an hour of science, and an hour of history. a couple weeks ago you were in some high school auto class, and you thought you were ready to take your ASE Master test. now suddenly you get into some diesel class, and you become diesel god overnight. i've been turning wrenches since i was 11 years old, that's right about the time you were getting into preschool. furthermore, i've got 4 years of extensive training in general automotive and light diesel, plus the 13 years that i have been turning wrenches on my own stuff. come back in 10 years, then maybe you can brag about your experience now.

 

[big4x4ride]

Ok guys heres the deal, this will be a DD/tow rig like I said, I want to do it right and would liek to stay in the 4-5K range overall in it.(only doing all this to avoid paying payments and a $35000 new truck). The 350 in it runs great, the 465 shifts great, it will work for now. I just want to go ahead and get a new setup ready for it and swap it in once im 100% ready. A 5.9 Cummins would be badass I think, but probably not cost effective. I can get a 6.2 cheap, and go ahead and rebuild it myself(with the help of my old man who was a diesel mechanic for 20 years). I figure $2000 or so to build it, prolly drop about $1000 on turbo setup and exhaust, and another $1000 on tranny, thats $4000, and still have a little more for extra odds and ends. I wont be towing long lonng distances, 4-500 miles tops usually,m and all in texas where its mostly flat ground. A 350 would probably even be just fine for me, just build it with a little more torque, and would be alot cheaper to build for sure. hell maybe just a turboed 350 LoL

 

[rjfguitar]

I don't take auto anymore i take heavy equipment in which we study diesels everyday. yes your 24v cummins will outpull a bbc but that is not what we are talking about. that motor I'm guessing would cost a hell of a lot of money to make it work in a k5. I had a job out at the lake where I saw tons of diesels and gas tow rigs try to pull their loads up long highway hills. somebody said it on here earlier that most of the diesels pre 2000 were dogs up hills... my friend had a 98 ram and it was doggin it bad with a full bed everytime it started up any incline. A bbc is cheap, more usuable power for dual road and dirt use and it will pull better up hills than any AFFORDABLE diesel. all that torque means nothing at highway speed on hills because hp is what your using on hills. I don't know the exact specs of your motor but im gonna guess its around 600 ft lbs and 350 hp. A mild big block will crank out 450 hp that is very usuable on the street and he won't have to mess with a bunch of problems during the swap and he can keep his tranny. If your gonna sit here and tell me that torque is what pulls hills you mide as well be arguing with yourself.

If you are studying HD diesels than you would know that todays diesel engines in class V trucks that haul 80,000lbs gross have diesels that "only" make 350-500HP. They move those loads and hold their speed in the hills because of the whopping 1250-2000ft lbs of torque that they make. Torque is what moves loads and keeps them moving on grades. If that wasn't true than trucks would be using blown 540" BBC's to move 80K but they are not, because torque is what matters.

A bbc is cheap, more usuable power for dual road and dirt use and it will pull better up hills than any AFFORDABLE diesel. all that torque means nothing at highway speed on hills because hp is what your using on hills.

I still can't get this out of my head....this is so wrong wrong wrong that it's WRONG! I almost get upset reading it it's so wrong.....