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Discussion in 'The Garage' started by chevy1982, Jun 24, 2003.
That engine is unreal to say the least. I am not to fond of the ramjet but everything else to the [naughty word]!!!
I think I'm gonna order me 3 of those engines right now! /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
I've seen that elsewhere. Who wouldn't want one? I wonder if the aluminum block allows you to turn it into a 502. I would think that for the price you could obtain one of the original 1969 engines. For that much green, you can get a 900+HP engine from Summit with 640 (?) cubes. Aluminum is great for weight savings, but it seems like you could get a Viper V-10 under your hood for a similar investment. Really, I would love to have an LS4 for good gas mileage, serious small block power and aluminum weight savings. That 4" lift kit could become a 6" /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
Cancel the soft top Steve, I gotta get me one a these sumbitches
On second thought, maybe I'll wait for one of those scratch & dent sales. /forums/images/graemlins/eek.gif
i think i will stay with the ramjet 350
Yea Yea--rub it in. /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif
Check out the cost of the new ZL1 bare block. ($5000) So you are telling me that the internals of that Ramjet 502, plus the heads and injection system can't be purchased for less than $15,000? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
http://www2.sdpc2000.com/cart.asp?action=prod_detail&catid=2657&pid=111443 $3300 for the injection setup. "Only" $11,700 left for the reciprocating assembly and heads.
Can probably build it cheaper I'm guessing.
I don't get why someone would pay over $20,000 for a 530HP 454? Its all cool n [naughty word], but couldn't you build something with as much or more HP for less?
also here http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/results.cfm?singlepart=1&partnumber=88961499
and you can bid on #001 starting at $25,000! /forums/images/graemlins/eek.gif
I would guess that you could certainly get something that was more efficient, like a closed loop injection setup /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Seriously, I'm sure most of that $20,000 is for coolness factor. I mean who really needs to lose so much (front end) weight that an AL block and heads are a necessity, except really hard core racers, who wouldn't be using the Ramjet setup anyways I suspect. Don't get my wrong, thats a lot of weight savings, but thats a lot of $$ too.
I've been eyeing that ZL1 block for awhile now, but at $5000 bare, I can't justify (nor afford) it. Of course, the AL 350's are only $1000 or so cheaper, so why not go BBC AL if you are that close? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
so how much do they weigh?
All I have to say is that, that is out of hand! /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
Think the block alone is about 140. With some AL heads and what not, maybe you could get a complete BBC around 400lbs, not counting accessories?
Thats ridiculas. I can build a 600 hp small block for like $5000. Efficient engines should be 130% the displacement as torque. A 454 should have atleast 590 ftlbs of torque, especially if you pay 20,000.
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Thats ridiculas. I can build a 600 hp small block for like $5000.
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I'd love to see that. I know my 675HP small block cost a whole helluva lot more than $5000. Closer to the price of the ZL1 in fact. You may make 600hp once or twice but making it reliable is another story. 400hp for $5000 I can see, but getting those bigger numbers is the key. (read $$$) Hell my crank cost approx 2500.
I'm not saying the ZL1 is cheap or practical by any means, but saying a SBC race motor that makes 600hp is 5 grand is being ignorant. /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
Mine is only 364ci and it makes 587hp at the rear wheels. So factoring a 15% loss in drivetrain (Turbo 400, 5000rpm stall convertor, 208t/c, BFG muds)
I know what it makes and what it takes. BTW, this HP is made through a 600cfm carb.
Not trying to start a flame war here, but think before you speak.
Have a good day /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I agree with out a power adder like N.O.S. or a blower (WHICH WOULD ADD TO THE COST CONSIDERBLY )600 Hp out of a stock block is about impossible for under 5000 you could build a motor like that but it wouldn't be streetable and probaly wouldn't last very long . the heads needed to support that kind of power cost in about the 2000 dollor range add in Valvetrain, induction, carb, ignition, crank, pistons,rods , hardware,headers, (99 dollor flowtechs won't cut it )and a good cam that's not includeing machine work which is probaly gonna run 1000 dolors at a GOOD machine shop
Hmmm, my best friend sold his 980hp 562 Merlin for $20,000. I'd rather have his motor. I guess I'm spoiled having my best friend as a race motor builder because crate motors do nothing for me. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Well the good thing about crate motors is you get a complete motor with lots of power for less money than the cost of the parts for normal guys to buy and build the same or less powerfull engine
Okay, well ramchargers is selling a 510 hp small block chevy crate engine for $8000!
Anyways, you can do it for $5000. All the money would be in the heads. You would get race heads with radiused seats, the largest valves that fit, and fully ported. I know that you may not have the most expensive crank, rods, and pistons but they will work. Airflow is essencial for power, the heads control the airflow. IM TALKIN 600hp NORMALLY ASPIRATED.
Okay, I can make a stock 350 with forged crank rods and pistons with a 200hp shot of NOS making a total of 680 hp and almost 900 ftlbs of torque:
Forged Crank - $589
Forged Rods - $500
Forged Pistons - $223
Rings - $100
Oil pump(race) - $100
Top end(heads and intake Brodix) - $2000
NOS(NitrousWorks) - $413
Misc - $1000
Sending your camaro down the track in the 10's for only $4925 !!!
Those are retail prices too, imagine if you had a hook up /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif.
Would you buy that engine in a crate $7000? Or would you spend an extra $14000 for that other one?
Sh*t, Ill build a blueprinted engine w/ 680hp and put it in a box for you for $6000.
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