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3/4 ton axles?

Whats the difference between a 14bff and 14bsf?

And the 14bff only has 8 bolts? Lol

Does anyone have pictures of what I should be looking for? For the D44 also?
 
Whats the difference between a 14bff and 14bsf?

And the 14bff only has 8 bolts? Lol

Does anyone have pictures of what I should be looking for? For the D44 also?

Axle ID:

http://coloradok5.com/axleguide.shtml

Axles are generally referred to by the number of bolts that fasten down the differential cover. The 6 and 8 lugs refers to the wheels ;) [ 5 and 6 lugs for 2WD and 4WD half-ton, respectively, and 8 lug for all 3/4- and 1-tons.]

The 14BFF is a full floating axle, i.e. the axle shaft doesn't carry the vehicle weight, just the torsional load of the axle turning. (The bearing hub hold the truck up.) They're stupidly strong, albeit with a huge pumpkin (aka "the furrow", inasmuch as when wheeling you can leave a trench large enough to plant palm trees in :haha: ) These are found on 3/4+ tons trucks up through, I donno, the early 80's; after some point they were only put on high-GVWR trucks.

The 14BSF is a semi floating axle, like the half-ton stuff, on which the axle shaft has to hold up the truck as well as turn. They're smaller, but weaker. These started sometime in the 80's and are found on 3/4 tons.

In your case, if you're not building an extreme truck to beat the crap out of, I would do this:

First choice is to find a later 3/4 ton donor with a full-floating rear. Take both axles, which prolly have 4.10:s gears, and bolt them up. (Older 14BFF's have a different style parking brake cable than your truck, so you'd have some work to mix and match.)

If you really can't find such a truck, my second choice would be a 3/4 donor with the semi floating rear -- same thing, both axles. This would absolutely be a bolt-up, parking brake and all.

Notice I did NOT say 1-ton; one, because Dana 60's are stupidly expensive, but two because the 1-ton frames are different so the spring perches are wrong, which means welding which means it's not a bolt-in. Also get axles from a 4WD donor, not a 2WD, as the shock mounts may differ. Again, for someone with a torch and a welder it's easy ... but it's not a bolt-in.

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Whats the difference between a 14bff and 14bsf?

And the 14bff only has 8 bolts? Lol

Does anyone have pictures of what I should be looking for? For the D44 also?

The 14bff has 8 bolts on the shaft and 8 bolts holding the wheel and 14 bolts holding the cover on the differential (pumpkin)
 
Wow, pretty tough to sort out the good from the bad information in this thread!

I have personally went from the stock 10-bolts, to a 14FF rear and swapping the front from 6 to 8-lug (had previously regeared it to 4.10 so it matched the 14FF I bought), and then swapped the front 10-bolt to a D60....so I've been down this road before.

I would recommend getting a matching set of 3/4 ton axles for the gearing, of course assuming your current front axle does not match. The lowest common gearing in a 1/2 ton is 3.73 with a lot of 3.08 and 3.42 gears. 3/4 ton is pretty common in 4.10......as you stated it's cheaper and easier to get a complete front axle with matching gearing and bolt it in versus regearing the current axle and converting it to 8-lug.

The 14FF (full-floater) is a completely different axle from the 14SF (semi-floater) with the only thing in common being both happen to have 14 bolts holding on the diff cover. The 14FF is substantially stronger, however the 14SF is substantially stronger than the stock 10-bolt and should hold up fine to moderate tires and usage with no problems.

A REAR axle from a 3/4 ton truck of the same era/model run will bolt up to a 1/2 ton truck with new correct sized u-bolts, spring plates, and addressing the rear u-joint. Most 1/2 ton auto trans trucks had 1310 (older) or the 3R/S44 (newer) u-joints at the rear axle, while most 14-bolts use a 1350. Conversion joints (i.e. S44 on one side and 1350 on the other) are easy to come by and not much more expensive than regular joints.

The REAR axle from a 1-ton has differently spaced spring perches that will need moved for a 1/2 or 3/4 ton truck.

The FRONT axle from a 1-ton post '76 would be a D60 and it is a direct bolt-in with the proper u-bolts and spring plates. However, a front D60 can be literally both 10 times more expensive and 10 times harder to find...and without serious trail use and bigger tires planned not worth it (unless you found a steal).

A 10-bolt or Dana 44 front really doesn't matter as they are the virtually identical in strenght, with my personal opinion going towards the 10-bolt since they are newer and easier to find. The Dana 44 front has not been used since the late-70's, while 10-bolts were used up to the last of the straight axle GM trucks ('87 pickups, '91 burbs).

Regarding the comment about 6 and 8 lug front axles using the same rotors.....come awn' now. Let me see somebody try to put a 6 LUG rotor onto an 8 LUG hub:doah:. 8-lug rotors are larger in diameter, and thus the caliper mounts are "taller" and put the caliper out further from the centerline of the axle, thus causing clearance issues with most 15" wheels. This is the reason why GM used at least 16" rims on all factory 3/4 ton 8-lug trucks. However, 15" wheels CAN be used .......

But enough, this dead horse has been kicked multiple times now (probably once a week to be more precise).
 
Wow, pretty tough to sort out the good from the bad information in this thread!

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Regarding the comment about 6 and 8 lug front axles using the same rotors.....come awn' now. Let me see somebody try to put a 6 LUG rotor onto an 8 LUG hub:doah:. 8-lug rotors are larger in diameter, and thus the caliper mounts are "taller" and put the caliper out further from the centerline of the axle, thus causing clearance issues with most 15" wheels. This is the reason why GM used at least 16" rims on all factory 3/4 ton 8-lug trucks. However, 15" wheels CAN be used .......

If that's me you're talking about (there is a lot of info here :) ) ... I said (in part)

I would imagine that D44/10b's have the same rotor diameter for 6- and 8-lug, so they'd be okay with 15" rims.

While I was wrong about the rotor diameter :doah: I didn't mean to imply that the rotors are identical. I've had both apart and know the difference :deal: ... just haven't hard them apart side-by-side.

And the point was intended to be about rim size. Speaking of, when you say 15" wheels can be used, does a 15" 8-lug rim fit on an 8-lug 10b/D44, at more or less stock backspacing?

And as for the dead horse, I donno. A lot of the "n00b" questions haven't been answered so well lately, so short of someone writing up a "My first lift" FAQ (get axles from a 3/4 ton Burb or pickup, 4" front springs, rear shackle flip, and the ever-important conversion U-joints I forgot about) ... this is at least some information, mostly accurate, which is better than nothing (or the Pirate-esque "get a Dana 60 or Rockwells" crap :haha: )

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I honestly wasn't trying to pinpoint a specific person or post (I'll reply directly to the quote if so), and I will admit to not thoroughly reading the reply stating "diameters". The calipers are the same, so the only thing causing fitment issues regarding 15" rims on an 8-lug 10-bolt/D44 would have to be a larger diameter rotor and thus the caliper is mounted further outward.

As far as fitting 15" rims on 8-lug 10-bolt/D44...you can make any standard backspacing work. 4"-ish requires grinding the calipers, 2"-ish probably no grinding.
 
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