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4x4 Sport Quad

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Good time was had by all. Daughter decided not to ride hers so she rode with me. The 125 I’m pretty certain is hurt. I don’t think it’s drawing enough vacuum to stay running well. But it did it’s job and the wife had a good time. I was told I need to get her better riding pants, oakleys, and a better machine. 8B70991C-482F-4A66-89C8-5C503FC84FF5.jpeg
 
It was a lot of fun. Just stuck to the park roads but found a small mud hole I couldn’t resist. This bike is a beast. Going to get the 125 fixed up and then sell it and get something bigger for the wife.
 
So let me start by saying I grew up towing with diesels and anyone who thinks towing with a half ton is just fine is kidding themselves.

My tundra has 34” tires and 4.30 gears. I was towing a 16’ trailer with 3 quads. Maybe 3k lbs total. Tundras arent known for power but its 380hp @ 5600 and 400tq @ 3600rpm which is respectable. But having to shift to 3rd to maintain 55mph up some of the hills and 4th to run 60-65 is just stupid. I tried 5th once and I had to keep it at half throttle to maintain 60. Id hate to see how these things tow with the other factory option 4.10s and larger tires. Bonus time is coming around and Ill be putting 5.29s in it.

As far as mileage, the lie ometer was saying about 10.5. Normal is 13.5.

For comparison. Using my folks 2015 duramax 4wd crew cab towing my blazer on tons and 37s on a 20’ flat bed running the same road and I got 15mpg and only once dropped out of 6th gear for a hill doing the same trip.

I burned a 1/4 of a 38gal tank doing a 90 mile round trip today in the tundra. Needle never moved in the diesel.
 
So let me start by saying I grew up towing with diesels and anyone who thinks towing with a half ton is just fine is kidding themselves.

My tundra has 34” tires and 4.30 gears. I was towing a 16’ trailer with 3 quads. Maybe 3k lbs total. Tundras arent known for power but its 380hp @ 5600 and 400tq @ 3600rpm which is respectable. But having to shift to 3rd to maintain 55mph up some of the hills and 4th to run 60-65 is just stupid. I tried 5th once and I had to keep it at half throttle to maintain 60. Id hate to see how these things tow with the other factory option 4.10s and larger tires. Bonus time is coming around and Ill be putting 5.29s in it.

As far as mileage, the lie ometer was saying about 10.5. Normal is 13.5.

For comparison. Using my folks 2015 duramax 4wd crew cab towing my blazer on tons and 37s on a 20’ flat bed running the same road and I got 15mpg and only once dropped out of 6th gear for a hill doing the same trip.

I burned a 1/4 of a 38gal tank doing a 90 mile round trip today in the tundra. Needle never moved in the diesel.

I hear you there. The towing aspect is the only reason I miss my 6.7, but I think I've had my trailer behind it three times whereas with the Dodge it seemed like it was every other weekend so the price of diesel and the maintenance factor wasn't worth it to me anymore.
 
If I could justify a diesel I'd have one again in a heart beat. But I just don't tow enough to justify one anymore so I just have to suck it up and deal with the lack of torque the 3 times a year I may tow.
 
I towed all kinds of crap with my lifted Tundra, 35s with 4.30s, and did fine. And way more hills than Texas lol. It's not a diesel but it didnt tow bad. I didn't have trailer brakes so had to be mindful of traffic ahead.
 
Glad you had fun with the ATVs! Looks like a good time!

I wouldn't like towing with that either, sounds like a lot of downshifting for a small load.

I will say this, I've towed up to 18,000 lbs with my fathers 1 ton DMax, and I've towed boats and such with 4.2L I6, and 5.3L, a 5.7 TBI, and I've towed cars, trucks, UTVs, with my 6.2L DI L86 motor.

And while I hated the downshifting of the 4.2 and the 5.3, and the 5.7.......my L86 did "just fine"....and I'm not kidding myself...;)

I've towed small subcompact tractor loaders with brushbulls, UTVs, boats, cars, my square truck on a 20 ft open trailer, and even 10,000 lbs of truck and UTV at the same time in a 32 ft long tallboy enclosed trailer, and it did just fine. In fact, it got the same mileage on the same trip as my friends 2017 DMax towing a 28 ft enclosed with 2,000 lbs less in the trailer. Towing that big heavy wall down the road had me about 2100 RPM at 76 MPH, occasionally up hills it would downshift to 2600 - or 2800 RPM, not too bad for a gasser. None of this downshifting to 4500 RPM crap.

So I think it depends on what you are towing, and what half ton you are towing with, the direct injection and 8 or 10 speeds transmissions have brought them closer in efficiency, you surely don't need a DMax to tow quads. But if you expect a NA gasser to pull loads up a hill at the same RPM as a turbo diesel, you will usually be disappointed.

I remember when I was towing that 18000 lb load with the Dmax, I was going up a long somewhat gradual hill. (I was towing my truck, my RZR, and a decent sized skid loader on a long steel wedge trailer) And I kept having to give it more go pedal, and I went to push it down a little more because it was dropping speed toward the top, and I realized it was floored! The diesel was cranking out the boost and lugging along floored, you don't realize how much you are beating on them, because they lug so well, but it's still beating on them. That would of been way too much weight for the gasser, no doubt, they have their limits. Diesels are better for towing, but I don't need one for what I usually tow, the minimal at best fuel savings would never have paid for the engine in the entire life of the truck, I think its up to a $10K upgrade now. Would rather have the new 6.6DI gas motor for that price. Many of the fleets are gas now because the diesels don't pay for themselves anymore with all the regulations.
 
The truck towed fine. I just hate how gutless gas engines are in the low range. But like you mentioned, for the little bit I tow, there is no justification for a diesel no matter how bad I want one. Even used they are ridiculously over priced and the pre emissions ones are fetching premium money and at their current age, have 200k+.
 
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Wrapped the exhaust yesterday so it didn’t get to hot when my son rides around with me. Made a huge difference with the heat.

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Time to head to hidden falls to go wheel with a buddy and his rzr.
 
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