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couple questions. Where are the U-bolts on the rear end, and why did you cut off the frame rails on the front?
 
Ok Answer's to your questions. There are no U bolts in the back. It is a U bolt less Spring Perch. The Bolts hold the leafs in.

Also As to the second Question. The stock frame wouldn't allow enough up travel. I am Using 18" Sway-A-Way Airshocks , and the stock frame stepped down after where the IFS was.

I might Run 2-3 Trips before the back gets torn down. 4 Link in the rear with 18's also. But I am doing the Backhalf , and rear 4 link at the same time.

Then I will be down to about 5-6 ft of stock frame. And all the parts I am using are pretty much boxed.
 
ROXROES said:
C's are rotated about 6-7 degrees. Pinion angle will be in the ballpark of 15-17 degrees. Putting the front axle back together, roll it under the truck check everything out. Bring it out weld c's.

Then I'll get the links all mounted up, wheelbase set etc.
Then I'll get the full hydro done and airshocks mounted. Trac bar will be last, going to make it as long as possible and as level as possible to prevent jacking.

Philip, definitely glad we're going with a 3 link. Its going to get you a ton more downtravel, and keep the driveline much happier.
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Woot woot...
 
Midwestern4x4Parts said:
Ok Answer's to your questions. There are no U bolts in the back. It is a U bolt less Spring Perch. The Bolts hold the leafs in.
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That's pretty scary. If you had a lot more wrap around on the perches and they were welded on both sides, then maybe I could be comfy with it, but the way it currently sits.... I've seen way too many shock mounts with equivalent weld area and less loading torn away from the axle tubes during wheeling adventures to have much faith in that setup :eek1:. There is a reason that the OEMs use u-bolts :deal:
 
MaxPF said:
That's pretty scary. If you had a lot more wrap around on the perches and they were welded on both sides, then maybe I could be comfy with it, but the way it currently sits.... I've seen way too many shock mounts with equivalent weld area and less loading torn away from the axle tubes during wheeling adventures to have much faith in that setup :eek1:. There is a reason that the OEMs use u-bolts :deal:
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It's not scary. There are a few company's that market U bolt less spring perch's. I don't think they would sell if they were uncomfortable with the risk's.Me I was being a cheap ass and didn't want to spend coin on U bolts. As I said it will be linked pretty shortly in the back when the front is done. Already have the parts needed. I wish more people on CK5 were open to different Ideas.

Times change and there is a time you accept it. This is just different from the norm. I guess if you wanted to think. If That is about the most questionable part on my truck I can deal. I hear comments about it quiet often though. Only regret I have is not having it wrap more.
 
Thanks Howdiy. It is at my buddy's 3 hrs away so I get to wait for updates too :(
I was working so much I took it to him. When it comes back it will be D shafts , and plumbing , and shifters. Then probably drive it for about a month. Then tear down for rear links , and backhalf /full exo.
 
I wish more people on CK5 were open to different Ideas
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dude i dig it. bring on the new ideas!!!! with out trial and error everyone wouldent be runnin 52's and 56's up front or 64's in the rear. somone tried it, it worked now its the norm. same with the shackle flip. yaanaadadameeen?
 
Midwestern4x4Parts said:
It's not scary. There are a few company's that market U bolt less spring perch's. I don't think they would sell if they were uncomfortable with the risk's.Me I was being a cheap ass and didn't want to spend coin on U bolts. As I said it will be linked pretty shortly in the back when the front is done. Already have the parts needed. I wish more people on CK5 were open to different Ideas.

Times change and there is a time you accept it. This is just different from the norm. I guess if you wanted to think. If That is about the most questionable part on my truck I can deal. I hear comments about it quiet often though. Only regret I have is not having it wrap more.
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Just because a small company markets them doesn't make it a good idea. If they were a good idea the OEMs would have used them because, as you pointed out, u-bolts are expensive. Have you calculated the strength of the welds and figured out the loads placed upon them?

As far as being open to new ideas, I have no problem there. But I look at things with a critical eye, especially where safety and reliability is concerned. I find it ironic that you would give howdiy so much $hit in his thread and then turn around and start acting just like him in your own build thread when somebody offers a suggestion or constructive criticism :rolleyes:
 
a weld on the axle tube doesent twist or bend at all so you shud be fine. my only concern would be how thick the bolts are. if you welded it with 70,000 pound rod or better you will be just fine.
 
It is all Mig Welded , so are the links. What I am saying is the stress on a link is just as severe. What makes that different. I am looking for the company who makes them . But it is no small company.

All Pro Offroad makes them. Very Large Company in the Offroad World.
http://www.allprooffroad.com/pickupsuspension/49

This is what BC Broncos Sells...
http://www.bcbroncos.com/REAR SUSPENSION NEW.html


http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6356938#post6356938

http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=642376&highlight=
 
73redblaze said:
a weld on the axle tube doesent twist or bend at all so you shud be fine. my only concern would be how thick the bolts are. if you welded it with 70,000 pound rod or better you will be just fine.
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I've seen people do this in the past and have never heard of any issues. If properly setup and installed I don't see any issues...not like a u-bolt clamping the springs to the axletube is the ultimate beef setup anyway.

As far as the comment about "why don't the manufacturer's use that method", I don't agree that is a valid argument for saying that method (welded on perch with regular bolts) is unsafe. As already mentioned if the u-bolts were the ultimate method then why don't they u-bolt on link mounts and such?
 
What BC bronco sells is bolted on with U-bolts, Allprooffroad sells them and they Look like they have WAY more welding area, and the bolts are on the inside of the outer weld area, so they aren't pulling up and likely to bend.

And I have never seen a 2 link, in other words, A 3 or 4 link has more weld points to the axle.

Anyway, liike was said earlier, If something failed, it's because someone tried it.
So, Try it, and keep us updated on how it works, or if it developes cracks.
 
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