Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by SkulzNBonz, Aug 11, 2006.
You ought to.
Yep, Beck is one of the ones I like. He is reasonable, rational and is not a complete assjack to people of dissenting viewpoints.
On the other hand, Michael Savage is a hyperbolic moron, and for the most part, so is Rush.
I don't understand this new conservative tact of demeaning and berating anyone who disagrees with you. How do you expect to change someone's mind when you're calling them an "idiot" or "traitor". Ann Coulter falls into this same group, she is the most hate-filled bilious biatch out there and just makes people who are on the fence in their political stance lean the other way.
I believe in TRUE conservatism, not this waaaay right wing crap they spew, in my eyes they are no different than Al Franken and his whole idiotic crew.
Dinner's on me.
I think some people misunderstand el-Rushbo completely. Rush goes way over the top and pushes examples to the limit to make his point. Funny irony calling a guy a moron because he basically calls someone (who is!) a moron. Seems sort of like self-defeating cyclicism.
This spawns from arguing with someone who simply refuses to accept demonstrable facts. Its like if you ran into a guy on the street who said the sky was green and demanded that you agree. You bust out some blinging scientific equipment proving him wrong... and he still just blathers on and on.. saying you are wrong, that it is green etc etc. At some point you are left with no other recourse or conclusion that the guy is simply an idiot and not worth arguing with.
wait, isn't the foundational idea of your post that name calling is bad? lol!
I hurl a decent amount of crap towards the liberal camp. I do it because their position on issues like the War on Terrorism are likely to lead to our total defeat / death... and their tax-us-to-death policy will lead us to the same conclusion. Calling someone a "moron" seems like small potatoes in comparison to an ideology that will end up with economic collapse / the death of our nation... doesn't it? I guess doing some crazy/bad chit has been eclipsed by "saying things that aren't nice".
I disagree, I am not calling him a moron because of his views, but because of his attitude towards those who disagree with him. I actually agree with much of what he says, it's the delivery I take issue with. And not everyone he calls a moron is actually a moron (although many are), he treats anyone who sees anything differently than himself as such.
Again, I disagree. Much of what he argues about is perspective and opinion based and while I share the same persective on many things some do not and he often resorts to namecalling as soon as someone disagrees rather than making a coherent argument and rebutting their points with his own. (I also find it ironic that someone as well spoken as yourself that takes great pains to demonstrate their point clearly, coherently and cogently defends this sort of browbeating debate)
Not at all. I am not a famous conservative pundit that is ostensibly trying to affect a change in the politics of our country. I'm just some jackass on the interweb with lots of opinions.
The long and the sort of it is that I agree with much of what these people are saying, I just think that by putting forth the attitude that "all libs are stupid" and acting as if anyone who disagrees with them is an idiot undeserving of of rational discourse is self-defeating.
I am assuming that you, like myself are disgusted by the Air America crew and their total disdain for all things conservative/traditional/remotely religious and their attitudes are what have drawn more and more people to conservatism. I just don't think that mirroring their behavior is an appropriate way to draw more "converts" for lack of a better phrase.
People have a hard enough time admitting that something they believe may be wrong, but they have an even harder time admitting they are "idiots".
In order to affect the change we want in this country we have to actually convince them that their ideology won't work, not just discount them altogether.
yeah i've listened to glenn beck, Sean Hannity, michael savage, rush, and theres a local Houston guy..... Chris Baker..... he is the best. i mainly listen to them because it's so damn funny.
I don't listen to Savage much, so I wouldn't know. I do listen the Rush though. I guess its all a matter of opinion. I think Rush's delivery is fine. 90% of his show is Rush responding to what liberals have already said or done. If something is demonstrably moronic, I have no problem with someone saying so. I don't think he calls anyone who isn't in lock-step with him a moron either. After all, W is a loooooong ways from being a Rush-conservative, and I've never heard Rush call Bush a "moron" or anything close to that. Same thing with a guy like Lieberman. The "moron!" comments come out with Schumer, Reid, Polossi etc... who are, in fact, morons.
I do enjoy the details and using lots of examples. I dunno, I think we are just listening to different stuff. Are you mostly talking about Savage? Rush will elaborate at great length most of the time... if he just skips right to the "moron" comments, its usually because he has already spelled everything out previously and doesn't want to go through the mountain of evidence a second time.
I understand what you're saying. I dunno... its hard to have a rational discourse with a liberal. After all, these are people who look at the entire history of economics and somehow conclude that socialism is the answer. I mean really, how do you even begin to deal with someone like that? The evidence / history is there for anyone to see... when you bring it to their attention they ignore it. Not really sure what you can do with 'em. Sure, there are middle of the road liberals that you might be able to open their eyes to the truth... but the hardcore yahoos? Ain't happenin'.
I actually don't mind the Air America guys. IMO they are a great source of ammunition. Appeasers, socialists and the like tend to hang themselves if you give them enough rope... then you can annoy them for years by simply beating them over the head with their own quotes. Anyway... what they are saying is total BS and makes me mad some times... but in a way they are useful idiots.
No disagreement there... I'm not sure anyone has ever admitted to being an idiot. lol!
Most people are worth the effort to convince, no doubt about that. Others you pretty much have to just write off. I guess from a Rush perspective, there is no need to comment on the "worthy" folks... because they aren't the problem.
ok, we've pretty much resolved the differences of opinion here... lets go back to talking about kicking terrorist butt.
I listened to Glenn quite a bit when he was on the air here in cleveland..he was ok, but he's not real deep when he articulates his views, and he puts me to sleep, really..He sounds just like some schlub at the corner bar bitching about the state of the world, speaking more from emotion than a thoughtful analysis of the issues..I can get that anywhere, without wasting valuable bandwidth.
My favorite radio host would be Laura Ingraham.. she's funny as hell, but has the mind to discuss politics, legal issues, and the culture wars, and she has the best guests on her show, from both the right and left.
I also very much like rush and ann coulter.. I want bitter partisanship, bombastic humor, and no mercy shown to the left..
I like listening to Glen Beck. I do think he likes to ride that "paranoid express" a lot.
I don't get Fox News, so I like to listen to O'Reilly on the radio. I don't always agree with him, but most of the time he makes good sense. Although sometimes I think he gives himself a lot of credit for starting trends and what-not.
I used to listen to Limbaugh back in the early 90s. I worked on a farm driving tractor all day. I credit him for the formation of many of the ideas I have now about politics. That being said I don't enjoy his shows like I used to. I think they used to be funnier bashing enviromentalist wackos and feminazis. It was always a kick when Nuggent used to call in.
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