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ATLAS-4 Install..... Having Issues, Need Input... (!! NOW WITH PICS !!)

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Yeah, Yeah.... I bought this Atlas box about a year ago, and I'm just getting around to installing it. Too much other stuff to deal with first.

Anyway, this morning I gathered up my TH400, AA intermediate adapter and the Atlas and starting doing a "dry assembly" just to use the whole thing for mock up purposes. I didn't get too far before I started having troubles.

Green adapter studs: The instructions describe them as a "tight fit" but I'd always thought studs were supposed to be basically "hand tightened" not cranked down with a wrench :dunno: The bolts have a coarse thread side (the one that goes into the planetary housing) which has some sort of goop on the threads....I'm guessing it anti-seize to prevent galling the aluminum case. The opposite side of the stud is a fine pitch thread for use with the supplied locknuts. There is NO way I could finger tighten these suckers...I used the "Double-nut" trick to set them into the case...they didn't bottom out, I just threaded them until I got to the center where there is a slight blank spot on the stud (no threads of either type). No biggie I guess, just need to confirm this is acceptable practice.

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TH400-to-Atlas Adapter: This one has me puzzled...Once I had the adapter bolted to the Atlas with the green studs, I offered up the assembly to the TH400 (6 bolts, pretty standard)...I didn't use the supplied gasket yet since I know this will all come apart at least a few more times (By the way, there is NO gasket supplied for the other side of this adapter??) I pulled the cases together pretty closely, and then started snugging the bolts down...being careful NOT to use the bolts to draw the cases together, but to allow it to happen by gently rocking them as I tightened everything up.

Unfortunately, when I got the gap down to just a bit under 1/8" progress stopped. It didn't feel right...like the output shaft of the tranny had bottomed-out on the input side of the Atlas. I realized that I could no longer spin the output yoke the way I used to be able to.... which basically confirmed to me that it was binding up internally. I backed off the bolts slightly and the output yoke spun freely again... Bummer.

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So for now, I used a couple small washers to form a spacer behind each of the 6 holes, so that I can at least get this thing mocked up in the chassis. The yoke spins fine now with that extra bit of clearance.

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I don't know what sort of endplay (is that the right term?) there should be between the output shaft and the input side but I have to believe there needs to be some room in there... the supplied gasket is NOT going to provide the clearance on it's own, so I'm wondering if I will eventually need to cut down the output shaft of the TH400?? It seems weird that things aren't fitting right....if it were WAY off, I'd suspect I got the wrong adapter...but since I'm within probably .100" of closing the gap I don't know what to think???

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Anyone have suggestions? I'll post pics later on to help clarify what I'm dealing with....


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I have a 4-sp also and observed the same situation with the green studs. They went in very hard (dbl. nut method also) which made me nervous but that is all I could figure to make them work.

On the shaft, I actually ended up shortening mine (read that as cut part of it off - that makes you nervous I guarantee you). I talked to advance and a buddy who owns a 4x4 shop and they both said sometimes according to the application the shaft needs to be shortened.

If I were you I would still call advanced and dbl. check your application though.

Don't know if this helps but it is my experience.

Art
 
Thanks guys....pics added for clarity and a Monday morning BTT.

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It looks like you are going to need a 1 / 8" aluminum spacer and two gaskets from Advanced Adapters. I would rather add the spacer than cut the shaft.


A cardboard stensil of the exact size, a 12" x 12" piece of 1 /8 " aluminum stock, drill and drill bit, a jigsaw, an air grinder, 2 each 1 / 16" gasket stock ( from NAPA ), and 30 minutes would fix the problem without boogering up the splined shaft. You would spend more time hand filing the splines to fit the Atlas imput gear!
 
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Call Advance Adapters :dunno:

Just got off the phone with Dan at Advance Adapters.....

So, here's the correct way to check the output length:

1. Bolt the housing to the TH400
2. Lay a straight-edge across the face of the adapter and make sure that the output shaft is not sticking past the straight edge.
3. Ideally, it will be flush or maybe 1/8" behind the straightedge (recessed into adapter housing)

So I didn't crank down on those bolts, but Dan still wants me to check to see if I've pushed the pocket bearing (inside the planetary housing) out of position during my test fitting. If I managed to move/damage it, I will need to take the planetary housing off the Atlas, and ship it back to them so they can install a new bearing for me.... (I suppose I could do this myself, but I'd need some CK5 help from someone who has experience taking these things apart....and more importantly, getting them back together!)


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Since it sounds like an 1/8 to 1/4 inch will make things right, cut the shaft off as needed.

Normal activity for out of the ordinary assemblies.
 
I suppose so...

However, for a $3600 part it would be nice to get some basic instructions that help explain common pitfalls like the output shaft stickout. The booklet I got with this was weak....

"Bolt on the adapter using the supplied studs, don't forget to fill it with fluid before installation because the access hole will be blocked later....then bolt to transmision."


It certainly makes me wonder what else they're expecting me to already know?? :dunno:


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So your actually putting things together. Do you still have that 396 laying around??? I should be up that way again soon. To bad that guy never called me back about that K30.
 
So your actually putting things together. Do you still have that 396 laying around??? I should be up that way again soon. To bad that guy never called me back about that K30.

I had two running 396s here for a while....one came out of my old C60 box truck and the other came out of Stomper. Both have been sold at this point. I just don't have the room to store those kind of large parts in a 2-car garage.

The only engines "laying around" now are the 496 rollercam motor for the Burb and the 502 that will end up bolted to the driveline shown above...if things go well, that should be happening in the next couple of days.


This build is taking forever, but I'm having a lot of fun with it.


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Out of the ordinary? It's a TH400!

Going in front of a custom made adapter for a custom non stock transfer case. That is why I say it is out of the Ordinary


Automotive part tolerances are bad. I helped to fit together the shortest possible Th-400 to doubler combination using all stock parts. Picking and choosing the right "stock" adapter, cutting a little off the input gear and a little off the output shaft of the tranny netted somewhere near 3/8" in over all length. Even while doing this all spline contact areas were maintained etc. Keep in mind this was with all "stock" off the shelf items.

Greg could have a output shaft that meets spec but is on the long side of the spec range, and tranny that is on the short side of the spec range and and adapter that is also a bit short. Lets say that each of those things equal a 1/16" X 3 = 3/16" to cut off. Seems a little to close to the 1/8" or so he is needing to cut off.

Keep in mind that we are building 30 year old trucks using a variety of old "stock" parts and new custom parts. Things won't always just bolt up without issue. I wish that when I worked on stuff the problems were as mild as this one really is.
 
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