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Disparity In Modern Art/Media Values

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Resurrection_Joe, Oct 20, 2006.

  1. Resurrection_Joe

    Resurrection_Joe 1 ton status

    Jan 9, 2002
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    Gettysburg, SD
    I'm kind of unnerved right now, and this line of thought leads to a plethora of branching topics and issues, but I'd like to start with my point

    I was atching..... Bravo? I don't know, some television station. They were playing "Even More Scary Stuff" or the like, and they were counting down thirty scary film moments. There were some decent films, mostly sclock horror and exploitative stuff. Oh well, this and that. They finally get down to number two,"A Clockwork Orange", after an hour and forty odd minutes of mostly slasher films.

    They are decribing the "singing in the rain rape" and showing the footage of it. Not surprisingly, but slightly relavatory, they censored out the nudity. No sex, no penetration, not depracity, just nudity. Admittedly, it's nudity in an awful theoretical scenario, but still....

    My point being, as it were, that I have just sat through decapitations, torture, immolation, stabbings, shootings, suffering and torment, for ninety minutes plus. They never cut anything, they didn't censor much, if anything. Then, at the summit of this grand opus of middlebrow horror review and interview, they edit out a breast.

    What kind of culture do we have when horrific violence is banal and a breast is the pinnacle of distate and danger.

    I'm not for censorship, and I'm not saying that media or art have any tangible effect on the general disposition of society, but I find it fundamentally odd, that in this country, where half (or more) of the nation has gone paranoid and subservient, all while being horribly debauched, wicked, corrupt, mindless, consumeristic, souless, and empty, and the other half, mixed with the first, as they are not mutually exlusive groups by way of ficklesness and hypocricy, and hardlining old worl morality along with oldworld senselessness.

    Where the hell is the middleground? Is everything right and left, black and white, right and wrong, moral and immoral, salvation and damnation?

    Ah, I've lost track........

    Level upon level upon epochs upon strata........ just too much for people. I wish they'd quit trying to sum it up and think just about here and now for once.

    Why is our zeitgeist so fundamentally obtuse?
  2. tRustyK5

    tRustyK5 Big meanie Staff Member Super Moderator GMOTM Winner Author

    Jul 23, 2000
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    Bravo, Showcase and a couple other cable channels in Canada don't edit that stuff out. In fact after 9 pm a lot of the regular (non cable) channels show movies uncut. For whatever it's worth I see 10 times more censorship on US TV than Canadian TV. I'm not sure why US censors are so active, or why Canadian censors aren't.

    It does seem odd to edit out a breast while leaving the gore...especially in that context.

  3. shewheeler

    shewheeler 1/2 ton status

    May 4, 2001
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    Hollister, CA
    The same reason they are banning tag at recess :doah:
  4. thatK30guy

    thatK30guy 1 ton status Premium Member

    Jan 12, 2001
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    I see it as the breast as something that excites men and makes them do stupid things. Hence the reason some lead to all the stuff you see on t.v.

    Mmmmmmmmm....boobies! Its whats for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
  5. 73k5blazer

    73k5blazer Unplug the matrix cable from the back of your head Premium Member

    Dec 28, 2001
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    Better watch what you say.it...Can-Can just might censor YOU. :cool:

    It's pretty simple actually. Nudity: Not allowed Gore: Allowed. They pretty much have to censor nudity. WHich sucks, for us. I know, every now and again, well, about once a year, you might see a flash of something on Bravo or whatever, but it's extremely rare. They show commercials, remember. That means sponsers. They are scared to death of losing them. Of course, I think it would draw more people, buy hey, who am I?
  6. Desert Rat

    Desert Rat Fetch the comfy chair

    Oct 19, 2002
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    Tri-Valley, NorCal
    Watched the same show. While your premise is correct, it does seem absurd, I think there is an answer. With the gore, it is fabricated gore. Movie makers argue that it is just "Hollywood". In other words, you aren't seeing a real dismemberment, just the depiction of what one would look like. On the other hand, you are seeing an actual breast, crotch, etc. Now, I personally think that is moronic, but I have heard this justification before. Most folks will tell you that nudity on TV is inappropriate because it appeals to the prurient interests of those watching and has no socially redeeming value. This is the same standard applied to pornography. Most states obscenity laws have a clause that states that there must be something of artistic value in the image. In other words, nudity just for nudities sake won't fly. If the sole purpose of the nudity is to arouse and excite, then some states ban it. This criteria has deteriorated over the years and it is near impossible to get an obscenity conviction for any porn. However, this usually applies to personal possession of the alleged obscenity. For films and TV where the recipients are widespread, the scrutiny is more intense.

    For gore, every filmmaker will tell you that using violence and gore in a film is integral to the story line and part of the intrinsic artistic value. They argue that you cannot separate the gore from the film, that it is a package deal. For some reason the censors and the public buy this argument. The fact that watching horrific violence has become routine is lost upon our society. The fact that watching repeated violence can desensitize a person until they have a higher likelihood of committing those same acts seems to be ignored. But, God forbid you show a nipple lest you drive someone to rape an innocent person as a result.

    I hear you loud and clear........

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