Full hydro vs. hydro assist

[justinf]

LOL, you can take the sparky remark, and stick up your ass ... shop monkey

I'm cool with a full hydro system on the road, if the proper measure are taken to keep complete control in the event there is a failure of other sorts. But, it's my observation that too many people half ass things of that nature. They assume that they will just deal with the situation if it ever happens, but what they don't concider is the fact that being on the road with such a set up puts everyone else at risk as well. It's true I didn't make that point clear in my post, that's my bad. But, if there are any full systems on the road that can't be steered in the event of a failure, I won't care if it's "legal" or not... if loosing power will cause the steering to be unusable, and someones going fast enough to cause some major damage, then you can believe I intend to bring down a world of hurt on them if it involves me.

Not trying to pick on you, just wanted to bring up another point. You guys are all talking about how a full hydro system is unsafe because it's usually thrown together half assed, this is true for everything, I could replace my steering arm, drag link, etc. and just do a half assed job and have it fail out on the highway at 70mph. I could do all kinds of modifications or repairs half assed and have a potential death machine that will fail when I get on the highway and kill somebody else. The point is, you want measures taken to keep control of a vehicle with hydro steering in the event of a failure, what measures have you taken or would you take to keep control of a vehicle with factory steering in the event of a failure.

Just for the record, I do run full hydro steering on my jeep, but it is for trails only, I trailer it to the trails. It will steer with the motor off as long as it has fluid in the system, although it is difficult to turn if the jeep is not moving.

 

[4GUNZ4X4Z]

What happens when your draglink breaks?

Been there done that and its flat out scary as hell.

 

[txfiremank5]

Not trying to pick on you, just wanted to bring up another point. You guys are all talking about how a full hydro system is unsafe because it's usually thrown together half assed, this is true for everything, I could replace my steering arm, drag link, etc. and just do a half assed job and have it fail out on the highway at 70mph. I could do all kinds of modifications or repairs half assed and have a potential death machine that will fail when I get on the highway and kill somebody else. The point is, you want measures taken to keep control of a vehicle with hydro steering in the event of a failure, what measures have you taken or would you take to keep control of a vehicle with factory steering in the event of a failure.

Just for the record, I do run full hydro steering on my jeep, but it is for trails only, I trailer it to the trails. It will steer with the motor off as long as it has fluid in the system, although it is difficult to turn if the jeep is not moving.

Any half-assed system of any sort is a no no in my book. But this subject was about hydro steer, and not the other potentialy crappy systema that could thrown on a rig... I hope that's clear enough.

As for factory steering... surely your not serious.. we could "WHAT IF" this and that all day.. what if the driver falls out of the truck... what if the gas tank falls out and slides into your car in a blazing ball of fire...

The point is, and I had thought it would be clear enough.. a crappy set up of hydro has the potential to fail from something as slight as a loss of engine power.. if my engine stops running in my vehicle, it will still turn with the factory set up. Now, for those hydro systems that will continue to steer under those same types of conditions.. I say more power to ya, I don't have a problem with them. The owner has made a reasonable attempt to run a safe and well engineered system... and that's all and of us can hope to achieve.

 

[apeters89]

if my drag link breaks, I have hydro assist to steer with.

With hydro assist if your drag link breaks you still have no steering. The hydro portion of the system requires "feedback" from the box and it will not get this with no draglink connected to the tires.

 

[justinf]

Any half-assed system of any sort is a no no in my book. But this subject was about hydro steer, and not the other potentialy crappy systema that could thrown on a rig... I hope that's clear enough.

As for factory steering... surely your not serious.. we could "WHAT IF" this and that all day.. what if the driver falls out of the truck... what if the gas tank falls out and slides into your car in a blazing ball of fire...

The point is, and I had thought it would be clear enough.. a crappy set up of hydro has the potential to fail from something as slight as a loss of engine power.. if my engine stops running in my vehicle, it will still turn with the factory set up. Now, for those hydro systems that will continue to steer under those same types of conditions.. I say more power to ya, I don't have a problem with them. The owner has made a reasonable attempt to run a safe and well engineered system... and that's all and of us can hope to achieve.

I really think we are on the same page. The point I was trying to make was that with the argument of things being "half-assed", we could go on and on about almost anything on the truck.

One other point I want to throw in the pot is the fact that your brakes rely on a hydraulic system. there is no mechanical link from the pedal to the brakes, so again, just like a blown line on a hydro steering system, a broken brake hose can be bad news at 70mph on the highway. I will say, I would rather lose my brakes than my steering when going down the highway.

Just thought I'd stir the pot a little, even though it is off topic slightly.

 

[Greg72]

I'd rather go off-topic than lose either my steering or brakes.....


or is it:

"I'd rather go off-topic than off-road"???