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I found a 84 cucv p/u last night and bought it for the price of what the owner had in the new tires (less than $500.) It's a 6.2 diesel and the body is about perfect with the exception of a little rust on the rockers. BUT someone tried to convert it from 24v to 12v and it's only getting 6v. Does anyone know exactly what's going wrong or have wiring ideas so I can get this working correctly?? I figured if I could find a wiring diagram I could fix it but I would have to find one for a 12v conversion or just convert it back to 24v. Which do yall think is the best??
I tried opening the link above a couple of times on two different computers and it wont open. Is there something im doing wrong or is the link missing something??
The Commercial Utility Cargo Vehicles (CUCV)
are commercial vehicles modified to meet the
needs of the U.S. Military. These vehicles come
in five basic configurations: Cargo, utility,
ambulance, shelter carrier, and chassis
versions.
In the late 70’s and early 80’s, Dodge Division,
Chrysler Corporation produced the CUCV units.
In the late 80’s General Motors (GM) produced
them. The GM versions are the latest of the five
CUCV variants. The GM models are named, the
M1008 (Cargo), M1009 (Utility), M1010
(Ambulance), M1028 (Shelter Carrier), and
M1031 (Chassis). This report will concern itself
with the electrical systems of the M1008, which
is a diesel GM pickup truck, and the M1009,
known in its civilian life as the Chevrolet
Blazer/GMC Jimmy.
The M1008/M1009 were originally designed for
civilian use, their heritage includes a 12-volt
electric system. The military, of course, uses
24-volt electric appliances. Because of this,
General Motors made some changes to the
electrical systems of these military models.
There are two alternators and two batteries,
each of which is 12-volt. The alternators and
batteries are connected in series to create 24-
volts. The driver’s side alternator charges the
vehicle’s front battery. This battery and
alternator supply power for all the 12-volt
components/systems. Both alternators charge
the rear battery.
The electrical system of the M1008/M1009 is a
civilian 12-volt system modified to allow 24-volt
starting and supply 24-volts for military
accessories. The only true 24-volt component is
the starter motor.
REC Newsnote #10 January 1999
Conversion of M1008 and M1009
Electric Systems to 12 Volt
The glow plugs and glow plug relay are 12-volt
components. Their 24-volt power supply is
reduced to 12-volt by the use of a resistor bank.
All running lights, interior lights, and gauges are
12-volt components
As you can see, General Motors modified what
was designed as a 12-volt system into a quasi-
24 volt system for the military. Converting it
back to a 12-volt system is neither costly nor
difficult. The M1008/M1009 electrical system
can be utilized in one of three ways.
1. Retain the system as is.
Advantages:
a) No cost or labor incurred.
Disadvantages:
a) Starter motor is 24-volt. It will be costly and
difficult to find a replacement.
b) The positive terminal junction block is 24-volt
and is unusable for 12-volt add on
components. (On the M1009, another
positive terminal junction block is mounted
on the passenger’s sidewall in the rear seat
area. This will also be a 24-volt supply.)
c) The bottom fuse on the vehicle’s fuse panel
is 24 volt and is unusable for 12-volt add on
components.
d) The alternators, although 12 volt, have a
special isolated ground. These will be costly
and it will be difficult to find replacements.
e)
All 12-volt components including add-ons run
off the front battery only. This may cause a
battery imbalance if the engine is not running
or the 12-volt electrical load is higher than
the alternator output.
2. Convert to a 12-volt system utilizing two
batteries for starting power and one
alternator for charging.
(Note: Leaving
both alternators has little or no benefit.
Unless the voltage regulators’ turn on points
are identical, only one alternator will be
utilized by the system.)
Advantages:
a) Single voltage system.
b) All electrical component replacement parts
are readily available.
c) Alternator to be removed can be used as
replacement part for remaining alternator.
d) Commercial (non-isolated ground) alternator
can be used for replacement. Just remove
ground wire from system.
e) Both front and rear positive terminal junction
blocks (rear available on M1009 only) and
the bottom fuse of the fuse panel can be
used as non-isolated 12-volt power supplies.
Disadvantages:
a) Fire apparatus (i.e. hose reel rewind and
pump start) work directly from starting
batteries.
b)
Some cost (12-volt starter and wiring
supplies) and labor occurred.
3. Convert to two 12-volt isolated systems.
One system utilizing the two existing
batteries and one alternator. The second
system utilizing the other alternator and
an additional battery.
Advantages:
a) Single voltage system.
b) All electrical components readily available.
c) Alternator to be removed can be used as
replacement part for remaining alternator.
d) Commercial (non-isolated ground) alternator
can be used for replacement. Just remove
ground wire from system.
e) Both front and rear positive terminal junction
blocks (rear available on M1009 only) and
the bottom fuse of the fuse panel can be
used as non-isolated 12-volt power supplies.
f) Fire apparatus (i.e. hose reel rewind and
pump start) and accessories electrical load
may be isolated from starting batteries.
Disadvantages:
a) Some cost (12-volt starter, third battery, and
wiring supplies) and labor occurred.
We feel that systems 2 and 3 have the most
merit. System 2 is simple and suitable if large
electrical accessory loads are not expected.
System 3 isolates the vehicle’s electrical system
from the large electrical accessory loads that
can be imposed by fire apparatus. This helps
protect against inadvertent drainage of the
vehicle’s electrical power for starting.
The following directions will step through the
conversion of the CUCV electric system to a
single 12-volt system or two separate isolated
12-volt systems.
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M1008/M1009 Conversion to 12-Volt system
These instructions are a guide to convert the
military electrical system of a M1008 or M1009
to a 12-volt system charged by a single
alternator. The passenger side alternator will be
used to charge both of the vehicle's batteries.
The driver side alternator will be removed.
1. Disconnect the ground wire from the
negative (-) terminal of the front battery.
2. Remove the jumper cable that connects the
front battery's positive (+) terminal to the
rear battery's negative (-) terminal. Cut the
8 gauge red wire from the rear batteries
negative (-) terminal. This wire will be used
in the next step (Photo 1).
3. Add a 1/4 inch ring terminal to the 8 Ga. red
wire that was cut in the previous step and
replace the terminal on the fusible link end
with a 5/16 inch ring terminal. Reinstall the
wire attaching the fusible link end to a post
on the positive (+) terminal junction block
the other end connects to the larger stud on
the 12 volt junction block (Photo 2 and 3).
4. With the air cleaner removed, remove the
resistors located on upper center of the
firewall. The resistors are mounted on the
backside of black sheet metal mounting
bracket. Three hex head screws mount the
sheet metal bracket to the firewall. Remove
these to access the resistors (Photo 2).
5. An 8 gauge wire connects the positive (+)
terminal junction block to the resistors.
Another 8 gauge wire connects the resistors
to the glow plug relay. Disconnect these
from the resistors. Remove the wire that
runs from the resistors to the glow plug
relay. Extend the wire that runs from the
positive (+) terminal junction block to the
resistors so that it is long enough to reach
the glow plug relay (insulate the splice)
(Photo 3).
Caution:
A new wire may be used to replace
the existing wire but the existing wire
has a fusible link at the end for short
circuit protection. If a new wire is
installed, short circuit protection
should be installed as close as
possible to the end connected to the
positive (+) terminal junction block.
Jumper Cable
Passenger
Side Alternator
8 Ga. Wire
Photo 1
- 3 -
6. Disconnect the wire from the ground
terminal on passenger side alternator,
insulate the end, bend the wire back, and
secure it to the harness. This is an 8 gauge
red wire with a white tracer. (The tracer may
be hard to locate.) (Photo 4).
7. Add a ground wire from the ground terminal
of the passenger’s side alternator to the
engine. The wire removed in Step 12 can
be used.
8. Remove the condenser mounted to the rear
of the passenger side alternator. This is the
cylindrical part with one wire (Photo 4).
Positive (+) Terminal
Junction Block
Resistor
Bracket
Negative (-) Terminal
Junction Block
Photo 2
12 Volt
Junction
Block
Glow Plug Relay
Brake System
Master Cylinder
Red 14 Ga.
Wire with
Brownish-
Orange
Fusible Link
Photo 3
- 4 -
9. The two alternators are connected together
at the 12-volt junction block. The two red 8
gauge wires come together into one ring
terminal on the larger stud of the 12-volt
junction block. (On the unit done by REC
these wires had blue fusible links on the
end.) Disconnect these wires from the 12-
volt junction block (Photo 3).
10. On the smaller stud of the 12-volt junction
block a red 14 gauge Wire is attached. (On
the unit done by REC, this wire had a
brownish-orange fusible link on the end.)
Disconnect this wire from the 12-volt
junction block (Photo 3).
11. Insulate the ends of the wires removed in
the two previous steps, bend the wires back,
and secure them to the harness.
12. Remove the ground wire that connects the
driver’s side alternator to the engine (Photo
5).
Wire Attached to
Ground Terminal
Condenser
Passenger
Side Alternator
Photo 4
Driver Side
Alternator
Ground
Wire
Photo 5
- 5 -
13. Disconnect all the remaining wires that
connect to the rear of the driver’s side
alternator, insulate the ends of each wire,
bend the wires back, and secure them to the
harness.
14. Remove the driver’s side alternator, its
mounting bracket and hardware, and its
drive belt.
15. Remove 24-volt starter and replace with 12-
volt starter. The starter is shimmed for
proper gear engagement the replacement
starter may require different shimming.
16. Connect the positive (+) terminal of the front
battery to the positive terminal of the rear
battery. (Use 4 gauge wire minimum.) The
positive terminal of the rear battery should
still be connected to the positive junction
block (Photo 6).
17. Ground the rear battery to the negative (-)
terminal junction block. (Use 4 gauge wire
minimum.)
18. Reconnect the ground wire to negative (-)
terminal of front battery.
Ground to Negative
(-) Terminal
Junction Block
Connection Between
Positive (+) Terminals
on Batteries
Photo 6
- 6 -
M1008/M1009 Conversion to Two 12 Volt Isolated Systems
These instructions are a guide to convert the
military electrical system of a M1008 or M1009
to two separate 12-volt systems each charged
by a single alternator. The passenger side
alternator will be used to charge both of the
vehicle's batteries. The driver side alternator will
be used to charge a battery on an auxiliary
system.
1. Disconnect the ground wire from the
negative (-) terminal of the front battery.
2. Remove the jumper cable that connects the
front battery's positive (+) terminal to the
rear battery's negative (-) terminal. Cut the
8 gauge red wire from the rear batteries
negative (-) terminal. This wire will be used
in the next step (Photo A).
3. Add a 1/4 inch ring terminal to the 8 gauge
red wire that was cut in the previous step
and replace the terminal on the fusible link
end with a 5/16 inch ring terminal. Reinstall
the wire attaching the fusible link end to a
post on the positive (+) terminal junction
block the other end connects to the larger
stud on the 12-volt junction block (Photo B
and C).
Jumper Cable
Passenger
Side Alternator
8 Ga. Wire
Photo A
- 7 -
4. With the air cleaner removed, remove the
resistors located on upper center of the
firewall. The resistors are mounted on the
backside of black sheet metal mounting
bracket. Three hex head screws mount the
sheet metal bracket to the firewall. Remove
these to access the resistors (Photo B).
5. An 8 gauge wire connects the positive (+)
terminal junction block to the resistors.
Another 8 gauge wire connects the resistors
to the glow plug relay. Disconnect these
from the resistors. Remove the wire that
runs from the resistors to the glow plug
relay. Extend the wire that runs from the
positive (+) terminal junction block to the
resistors so that it is long enough to reach
the glow plug relay (insulate the splice)
(Photo C).
Caution:
A new wire may be used to replace
the existing wire but the existing wire
has a fusible link at the end for short
circuit protection. If a new wire is
installed, short circuit protection
should be installed as close as
possible to the end connected to the
positive (+) terminal junction block.
6. Disconnect the wire from the ground
terminal on passenger side alternator,
insulate the end, bend the wire back, and
secure it to the harness. This is an 8 gauge
red wire with a white tracer. (The tracer may
be hard to locate.) (Photo D).
7. Add a ground wire from the ground terminal
of the passenger’s side alternator to the
engine.
8. Remove the condenser mounted to the rear
of the passenger’s side alternator. This is
the cylindrical part with one wire (Photo D).
9. The two alternators are connected together
at the 12-volt junction block. The two red 8
gauge wires come together into one ring
terminal on the larger stud of the 12-volt
junction block. (On the unit done by REC,
these wires had blue fusible links on the
end.) Disconnect these wires from the 12-
volt junction block (Photo C).
10. On the smaller stud of the 12-volt junction
block, a red 14 gauge wire is attached. (On
the unit done by REC, this wire had a
brownish-orange fusible link on the end.)
Disconnect this wire from the 12-volt
junction block (Photo C).
11. Connect the wires removed in the two
previous steps to a 50-amp circuit
breaker/fuse mounted close to the 12-volt
junction block. The terminals of this circuit
breaker/fuse need to insulated or isolated
from accidental contact when working in
engine the compartment (Photo E).
12 Volt
Junction
Block
Glow Plug Relay
Brake System
Master Cylinder
Red 14 Ga.
Wire with
Brownish-
Orange
Fusible Link
Photo C
- 8 -
12. Connect the auxiliary system charging wire
(8 gauge wire minimum) to the other
terminal of the circuit breaker/fuse. This
wire should run back to a second 50-amp
circuit breaker/fuse near where a third
battery is to be mounted. The terminals of
this circuit breaker/fuse need to insulated or
isolated from accidental contact.
13. A power supply wire (8 gauge minimum) to
an auxiliary fuse panel can be attached to
same terminal of either 50-amp circuit
breaker/fuse as the auxiliary system
charging wire.
14. Add a wire (8 gauge minimum) to connect
the open terminal of the second circuit
breaker/fuse to the positive (+) terminal of
the third battery.
15. Remove 24-volt starter and replace with 12-
volt starter. The starter is shimmed for
proper gear engagement the replacement
starter may require different shimming.
Circuit
Breaker/Fuse
12 Volt Junction Block
Auxiliary System
Charging Wire
Rerouted
Wires
Photo E
Wire Attached to
Ground Terminal
Condenser
Passenger
Side Alternator
Photo D
- 9 -
16. Connect the positive (+) terminal of the front
battery to the positive terminal of the rear
battery. (Use 4 gauge wire minimum.) The
positive terminal of the rear battery should
still be connected to the positive junction
block (Photo F).
17. Ground the third battery to the chassis.
(Use 4 gauge wire minimum.)
18. Ground the rear battery to the negative (-)
terminal junction block. (Use 4 gauge wire
minimum.)
19. Reconnect the ground wire to negative (-)
terminal of front battery.
Ground to Negative
(-) Terminal
Junction Block
Connection Between
Positive (+) Terminals
on Batteries
Thanks man, my computer was just hiding adobe and didn't want to open it. I got it open now. Thanks for the help now all I have to do is run down and put the truck on my trailer and bring it home.
