Stomis
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Yeah, in my experience, I don't think it'd get it done. I've never tried it though either. I guess with the ignition timing wrong you can get your pipes red hot too.In which case, that'd probably work.
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Header Fit w/ORD Shackles!!!
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cheyennek20
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That's what I was thinking...but I have to break-in this motor(1500-2500 rpms for 1/2 hour).
I know they'll get hot, but I'm not sure hot enough. Cybrfire, you've got the right Idea, but I don't have those provisions. I talked to an exaust shop that assures me they can do this, but I'm pretty leary. I have no idea what something like that would cost.
The whole deal stinks for the phone calls and research into trying to find the best set to buy so I DON'T have to go through this.
Ask them for an estimate. Never hurts to ask and always good to be an informed customer. If they can't ball park it, they've probably never done it and then i wouldn't go there anyway. Should take no more than an hour if the guy knows what he's doing. Takes time for them to cool down though.
cheyennek20
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You think I should try the ...."run the engine, put a chunk of wood between collector and frame" trick first?
Stomis
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I doubt it will hurt. Theres no way you'll yank a bolt out of the head. I'm gonna try ratchet straps. That seems more logical to me.
shorties are a mild improvement at best, whereas longtubes are a huge improvement... But I guess running various headers over 30 yrs hasn't taught me anything....
OP.... There are numerous threads in hear on bending headers... a rosebud certainly isn't necessary, and will harm the finish..
porta power spreader and a strategic block of wood, 2 x 4 in the collector, strap, etc will net ya the room...
or..... send the headers back and get some tri-y's, etc.... I'm done...
Ok, before anyone berates me for this being a repost, I tried to post in the appropriate thread and got no responses except for "...bend the pipes with them hot!"
Here's my dillema:
I've seen the posts before with the passenger side header that hits the lower shackle bolt and hear that you can heat them up (via engine running) and bend them to your will. I understand, IAW Hedman, that this will void the warranty. I'm ok with that. I'll probably end up doing this anyway.
What I do want to know from those of you running a BBC/SM465/NP205 combo:
1. Are you using ORD's Shackle kit? No
2. Are you using headers? Yes
3. Did you have this contact problem? No not even close.
4. Is this how you corrected it?
5. Are you using their competition style motor mounts? No
Any Part #'s for different brand headers other than Hedman's 69820 would be appreciated. Hedman was at least good enough to say they'd warranty these and work w/ me and Summit to get my cash back.
If you have done the "heat up and bend" trick with 14 gauge tubes and ceramic coating, I'd love to hear about your results.
I'd rather do the right thing and replace these with a set that fits (with people who have installed them) instead of buying a set only from looking at pictures. I'd like to have my truck running by this weekend so any info I kinda need quick.
I appeal to you Brotherhood, Help me with my dilema!
I have these on my truck http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=HOK%2D2817HKR&N=700+4294908216+4294925022+4294908178+400390+4294840133+115&autoview=sku
They work great and are 2" away from the shackle bolt and about 1" higher than the shackle bolt. They don't hit anywhere. I think the quality is much better than the hedman headers I had here before I decided to use these headers. I just wish I would have bought the coated ones.
I can take pics tomorrow if you are serious about buying a set.
Mike
Stomis
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shorties are a mild improvement at best, whereas longtubes are a huge improvement... But I guess running various headers over 30 yrs hasn't taught me anything....
Sorry if I tend to disagree with you but the blunt statement that shorties are no improvement over manifolds and useless performance wise is asinine.
30 years on how many different motors with how many different setups? I'll believe flow data and dyno runs before I believe 30 years of swapping out different headers.
I'm not telling you your wrong that longtubes arent better. But shorties have there place and DO flow better than manifolds.
cheyennek20
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asinine? I'll remember that one...
I'm not gonna dig up charts, you find me data supporting your claim of big gains with shorties.. I've read tons of articles over the years suggesting the opposite..
Ya sound like one of those guys that ran em in a smog mobile and tried to justify it in their head.. fine, it's a blingy tube exhaust, but it still has pretty much non-existent primaries..
I'm not gonna dig up charts, you find me data supporting your claim of big gains with shorties.. I've read tons of articles over the years suggesting the opposite..
Ya sound like one of those guys that ran em in a smog mobile and tried to justify it in their head.. fine, it's a blingy tube exhaust, but it still has pretty much non-existent primaries..
badmix
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My heddman headers hit passenger side, The muff shop simply put a big ass pry bar inbetween the headers and pulled down (truck was on lift). this move the headers away from shackle. The truck was warmed up but not super hot. HEaders are just mild steel, not hard to bend if you got enuff prybar and ass behind it. I think everyone is making it more complicated than it needs to be, if they dont fit, just bend them. With ceramic you do ahve a chance of cracking them. If you must go with ceramic, buy reg. headers, put them on, if they dont fit, bend them, then take them off and get them coated. That is what Ill do for my next set or im just going back to OEM manifolds.
cheyennek20
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I wanted to hear that from someone with the same set-up, that's done it and had success. Thank you!Not that any other info I've gotten has been wrong, I just need to know all my options before I try something and ruin this set and can't return them.
I need to keep ALL my options open.
Like I said, I've never tried it with a board or prybar bolted to the motor. All of them that I have done have been out of the vehicle.
Clamped to a bench your only option is a rosebud. Ya can't jump up and down on a prybar and expect much but broken/bent clamps and a damaged flange. Bolted to an engine, I'd imagine you can get pretty midevil with it, if need be.
Clamped to a bench your only option is a rosebud. Ya can't jump up and down on a prybar and expect much but broken/bent clamps and a damaged flange. Bolted to an engine, I'd imagine you can get pretty midevil with it, if need be.
Stomis
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Dont take one thing and call it another. I never said there were going to be big gains. I never said that they would match long tube performance. All I said was that they are an improvement over stock manifolds yet you choose to continue to argue with me like I'm telling you they yield gains as good as longtubes.
**** man I mean come on I have longtubes on my truck. I used to run shorties on my camaro. I know that longtubes are better for freeing up more power but some applications you just cant fit them. A truck is not that circumstance which is why in my first post I said that the arguement is really null and void on a truck.
Just admit that your comment about stock manifolds vs shorties its wrong. There is a point and they do improve flow end of story.
oh yes, teacher, I'll "admit"... stfu noob....
I'll reiterate, the gains from shorty headers are so minimal, it's not worth the time, effort or cash to run em over stock... Tri'Y, long tube, absolutely worth it....
stfu noob....I'll reiterate, the gains from shorty headers are so minimal, it's not worth the time, effort or cash to run em over stock... Tri'Y, long tube, absolutely worth it....
Stomis
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oh yes, teacher, I'll "admit"...
I'll reiterate, the gains from shorty headers are so minimal, it's not worth the time, effort or cash to run em over stock... Tri'Y, long tube, absolutely worth it....
Swallow your pride jesus christ.
These are the pics I got of my Hooker super competition headers part# 2817-hkr. They are a full length tuned header made out of 18 ga tube. They have 1 7/8" primary tubes with 3" collectors.
These are the ones I wish I would have bought. I wish I would have bought these ones because they are ceramic coated. http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=HOK-2817-1HKR&N=700+115&autoview=sku
All of these pics are of the driver side header.
Mike
These are the ones I wish I would have bought. I wish I would have bought these ones because they are ceramic coated. http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=HOK-2817-1HKR&N=700+115&autoview=sku
All of these pics are of the driver side header.
Mike
cheyennek20
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UPS...Thanks for the pics! The info helps alot!!
Wish the coated ones weren't so $$$$$$$!!!
Wish the coated ones weren't so $$$$$$$!!!
These headers only have about 200 miles on them and one Maine winter. The rust is the reason I wish I would have bought the coated ones.
These are the pics of the passenger side header.
If you want any specific pics just let me know.
Mike
These are the pics of the passenger side header.
If you want any specific pics just let me know.
Mike
UPS...Thanks for the pics! The info helps alot!!
Wish the coated ones weren't so $$$$$$$!!!
I agree but as you can tell by the pics there aren't any clearance issues and they fit real well.
It's just money. It's not like you can take it with you when you go.
Mike
