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how come no 10 bolt guide in tech section?

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abig84

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im surprised that someone hasnt done a tear down and rebuild thread on a 10 bolt yet since every k5 came with a 10 or 44 and i always see questions on this site and every other truck site im on... "how do i change my ball joints" how do get those weird nuts out of the hub" etc

i did a crappy tear down one today but i dont know if its good enough to be put ont his site :p: just useing my cell phone for pics
http://www.4xfanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=920

i figured that way when i see the same 10 bolt questions i can just send them this link
 
do you know if/how 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton outers are different? i have some 1/2ton d44 stuff (kunckles out) for crossover. i want to put it on a 3/4ton 10b but i want to keep the 8lug pattern to match my 14b in the back. can i do any combination of those parts or buy ford 3/4 ton parts or anything? just hoping you could help me figure out what my options are, thanks
 
You have to have a Dana 60 and a 14 bff to enjoy your rig silly !!


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thatK30guy said:
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10 bolt fronts get a bad rap for some reason. Ive beat the piss out of them, the guys I run with do too. they are FAR stronger than a D44. Its not always about dropping 1200 bucks on a front end ya' know...:rolleyes:


And as far as knuckles go, 10 bolt 6 and 8 lug is the same. D44 6 and 8 lug is the same.

I beleive there are minute differences between the two styles, but they should interchange without hitch.
 
moneypit_K5 said:
10 bolt fronts get a bad rap for some reason. Ive beat the piss out of them, the guys I run with do too. they are FAR stronger than a D44. Its not always about dropping 1200 bucks on a front end ya' know...:rolleyes:



is THIS a proven fact or observation? What specifically is stronger or weaker???
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Its proven in my neck of the woods!

10 bolt shafts are larger in diameter, and the ring and pinion seems to be a stronger steel as well.

there are the two types of D44s too. one is the big hub style, and the other is similar to the 10 bolt hub style.

I have had no luck with the big hub front ends whatsoever.

The shafts snap quicker, ring and pinions lose teeth, and the hubs themselves are faulty to the point they got reassembled on the trail with the spring on the outside to keep them locked in.


Edit:
Let me clarify... 10 bolt shafts are larger in the midsection, but smaller at the splines than big hub D44's. If my memory serves, the small hub d44 has smaller splines and smaller shaft then either of the other two.
 
Fabrimacator21 said:
Nice writeup. Did it have any oil in it?
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yeah in the very last picture you can start to see it come out.

stevo_baino said:
do you know if/how 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton outers are different? i have some 1/2ton d44 stuff (kunckles out) for crossover. i want to put it on a 3/4ton 10b but i want to keep the 8lug pattern to match my 14b in the back. can i do any combination of those parts or buy ford 3/4 ton parts or anything? just hoping you could help me figure out what my options are, thanks
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i think its all the same crap. i never had any 8 lug 1/2 stuff before but my 10 bolts have dodge dana 44 steering knuckles on them. might be stupid small stuff different... the spindle studs were shorter on the dana

pauly383 said:
You have to have a Dana 60 and a 14 bff to enjoy your rig silly !!
pauly383
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i have a 60/14 on my k5 blazer:D the 10 bolts i have are on a 93 s10 running 33inch tires. no sense in putting 1 tons. the thing gets hung up enough as it is with the 10 bolts

speaking of which... anyone ever shave a 10 bolt? is their any clearance to be gained?
 
moneypit_K5 said:
10 bolt fronts get a bad rap for some reason. Ive beat the piss out of them, the guys I run with do too. they are FAR stronger than a D44. Its not always about dropping 1200 bucks on a front end ya' know...:rolleyes:


And as far as knuckles go, 10 bolt 6 and 8 lug is the same. D44 6 and 8 lug is the same.

I believe there are minute differences between the two styles, but they should interchange without hitch.
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Welcome to ignorance town. Population you.

A 10bolt and a D44 have NEARLY the same exact strength. D44s have the advantage of a higher tierod 10bolts have better a minusculely bigger pinion shaft. Either way your running a 1/2 ton axle.

All axle shafts are different some neck more than others. Big vrs little hub makes no difference. Maybe the big hub stuff you broke was off a work truck and actually used in its life vrs small hub stuff in a daily driver. The only difference the bearings make is longjevity with oversized tires.


And back to topic as to why theres no walkthrough, I think its because the axle is some damn simplistic to be honest. I looked for one before I did mine and was like "crap I'm gonna f this up". When i got it apart I was like huh, is it that easy?
 
Stomis said:
Welcome to ignorance town. Population you.
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Dont much see the need for that... I guess online its ok to be a prick because you'll never have to meet the guy? :bow:

Stomis said:
A 10bolt and a D44 have NEARLY the same exact strength. D44s have the advantage of a higher tierod 10bolts have better a minusculely bigger pinion shaft. Either way your running a 1/2 ton axle.
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So you DO agree there are some strength differences to a 10bolt vs. a D44.
I believe the question that was posed to me was whether the 10 bolt is stronger than a D44. Obviously they are no match to the almighty 60.

All axle shafts are different some neck more than others. Big vrs little hub makes no difference. Maybe the big hub stuff you broke was off a work truck and actually used in its life vrs small hub stuff in a daily driver. The only difference the bearings make is longjevity with oversized tires.
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Is that so? why dont you go fit a big hub shaft into small hub diff?
AS far as bearing strength on a D44, i wouldnt know. the ring and pinions dont last long enough to find out.

In no way is my goal to sound like an all knowing prick, the only relevent experience I have is with the 40 or more chevy 4x4 73-87 trucks Ive parted out in the last 2 years, and building my own toys.
 
When I rebuilt my 10-bolt, it came off the jack stands and landed on my finger. It won me a trip to the ER and a finger that no longer straightens out.

I was told I pissed off some axle Gods or something, hence the injury. They smited me. :haha: :doah: :mad:
 
moneypit_K5 said:
Dont much see the need for that... I guess online its ok to be a prick because you'll never have to meet the guy? :bow:
Its true. The original statement that verbatim says "Dana 44s are garbage and 10bolts are great" is a load of **** and an ignorant thing to say and I think ever person here that has any knowledge on the 44vs10b subject will tell you the same thing. Perhaps nicer but the same thing. I took offense because I swapped a d44 into my rig upon removing the 10b and I can tell you it isnt any better or any worse.



So you DO agree there are some strength differences to a 10bolt vs. a D44.
I believe the question that was posed to me was whether the 10 bolt is stronger than a D44. Obviously they are no match to the almighty 60.
10b and d44's are in the same league, fighting for the same place on the strength ladder. Yes there are tiny little differences but not enough to ever be proven in a reallife test or simulated test. Throw every part on that machine they find strengths on and I'd put money that all the d44 and 10b parts come within 100lbs of each other. And as for the whole 60 thing neither axle is suitable to compare. Sure you can compare a stock 60 to a built d44 but thats apple and oranges. 60's are in their own league with no competitors IMO.



Is that so? why dont you go fit a big hub shaft into small hub diff?
AS far as bearing strength on a D44, i wouldnt know. the ring and pinions dont last long enough to find out.
I've got a set of each in my spare box. I can see the difference in necking and such but the fact of the matter is they are all 30spl at the diff and whatever the stubs are and the same size ears and joint.

In no way is my goal to sound like an all knowing prick, the only relevent experience I have is with the 40 or more chevy 4x4 73-87 trucks Ive parted out in the last 2 years, and building my own toys.
And I dont mean to sound like one either but its a stupid topic thats beaten to death and hes wrong about it. 10b and dana44s might as well be the same thing.
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Fillers
 
One of the factors of why I prefer a 10 bolt over 44 is availabilty. I rarely see 44s in the junkyard I know most is interchangable but the shafts aren't. I like the 44 for the tie rod comin from the top... But I'd hate to break one on the trail, have to drop the axle to get it out.

Someone meantioned its simple to tear apart a 10 bolt... It still don't stop people from asking how to do it.
 
Is that so? why dont you go fit a big hub shaft into small hub diff?
AS far as bearing strength on a D44, i wouldnt know. the ring and pinions dont last long enough to find out.
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I had done it. Well I put a small hub shaft in a big hub.
However, the big hub axle was a 1969 3/4 ton with drum brakes. Everything from the knuckle out was different. And I heard but never seen, the disk brake stuff for 70-72 is different from 73 up.
But, for the disk brake 70-72 outer shaft is the same as 73 up.
I have seen axle shafts swapped very readily.
On my axle, I had to replace, the inter axle seals, the axle shafts (An upgrade really, the 69 shafts were necked down and had a small U-joint), knuckle, spindle, backing plate, hub-rotor assembly.
My point? The axles shafts for all disk brake Dana 44 should be interchangeable.
I think your big hub stuff came from a drum brake Dana 44.

Now let stop talking about Dana 44 stuff on a 10-bolt thread. So far what Abig84 has done is the same as a Dana 44. He needs to get into the pumpkin. That is where the real difference between the Dana 44 and 10 bolt lays.
 
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