Ok heres the deal, my g/fs dad is a very hard working blue collar guy. He builds trailers, and does misc steel, and repair jobs out of his pole barn. He also works on semis and other vehicles. The problem is he is very bullheaded, and has the possibility of collapsed spine. He can only work for 5 min then gets in so much pain he can't work, and has to take vicodin. He sometimes looses feeling in his arms and his fingers, hence spine damage. The problem is he is so freakin stubborn(now I see where his daughter gets it from) that he will not have surgery, because he doesn't want to be paralyzed if something were to go wrong. He says he would rather work and be in pain until he dies then be a tomato the rest of his life. Heres the catch though, he has a greater chance of being paralyzed if he continues to work, but so far he will not believe us on the statistics. How have you guys delt with a stuborn individual before. I'm thinking on taking him a whole book of stuff to prove it to him, but he will probably not listen, he always has to do things his way. Just like the time I told him the way he was welding was wrong....boy did I hear it then. He is a genuine good guy, with a good heart, but he is completely oblivious to the real world.