ok, so this may not be allowed in the lounge as it's a post regarding faiths, but please mods, read all the way thru and understand the point of what i've got to say. please, everyone else, if you want to discuss this stuff, lets keep it civil and valuable - no hate. so i'm walking home from class today and i see this group of christian fundamentalist evangelists holding their picket signs and screaming at a bunch of people. they've been on campus every day all week long. now, i'm a hard core christian - i love jesus more than anything else in life - but i absolutely cannot stand those christian evangelists who go around screaming at people, telling them that they're going to hell and holding these offensive signs which are judgemental and rude. i believe that this is totally and completely against biblical standards for how christians are supposed to share their faith. i decide that today i've had enough. walking by these people profaning my faith and my god royally pisses me off. so i go over and start listening to them scream at this dude. when they quiet down a bit i ask if i can speak to the older dude away from the crowd, because i don't want to cause a scene. so we go and stand on the grass and i ask the guy if he believes that christs ministry was a ministry of love - he says yes - so i ask, "do you think that these people who are listening to you feel loved by you?" he goes on to tell me this story about how this jewish kid got really pissed at them, but they talked it out and he went away happy (according to this old guy). i can hardly see why this is a success story of loving the people at my school. so we talk some more and he basically calls me a hippy and essentially says that loving people doesn't work. i am dumbfounded by how so much of his teaching is contradictory to about 3/4 of the bible, so i ask him to come over to the group with me. i interrupt this guy who is yelling at these people and say, "excuse me, i'm sorry to interrupt, but i really have to ask you guys a question. do you feel like these people love you?" ofcourse they all look around for a few seconds, surprised by the question, and say that they don't. well, the old dude asks me (after having grilled me already to see if i'm a christian) "are you a christian?" I say that i am and he asks me how i became a christian. i told the group my story and said that Christ has changed my life and because i love people, i want them to know that as well because i believe christ will change anyone's life for the better. well, the old dude kind of leaves me alone after this. so i go and listen to this dude who is yelling at the top of his lungs at this native american guy - essentially calling him and his people evil and that he needs christ. i won't go into the details of our half hour conversation, but i ended up talking to the guy for a very long time and he yelled and screamed at me and said things like, "people like you" and blah blah blah. all these erroneous generalizations. then said i wasn't a christian and i'm too worldly because my ears, eyebrow and nose are pierced. i couldn't believe it. every time i asked them if christian ministry was supposed to be a ministry of love, they answered, "yes, but...". and basically said loving people doesn't work. So i just want everyone to know that if you see people like this on the streets or whatever, know that their faith, as far as biblical christianity is concerned, is off track. i want people to know that the point of christianity, according to the bible, is that christ died as a sacrifice for people's screw ups, rose from the dead to bring his life into the lives of people so that they could be changed into righteous children of god, he did this because he loves them, and that we as christians are here simply to say, "christ loves me, i love him, he changed my life, and he wants the same thing for your life." please, if you ever see these militant christians, don't associate them with the faith. if you want to associate christianity with something, associate it with "love." i know christians do stupid things some times, we're idiots too, but those of us who actually love god do try to love people and we do our best. we need grace as much as anyone. sorry for the faith post, but i just can't handle people blaspheming my god and i just want people to know he loves them. ok mods. you can delete now if you like. for the record, i won't be pushing my faith in the lounge in anyway. just wanted to talk about my day.