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Insurance for offroad/modified/built vehicles

73k5blazer

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So, I had a very long, pleasant, but disappointing, conversation with my insurance agent today. I had the same conversation a several years back with a different agency. I got the same basic response from both of them.

Basically, I have my 73 K5, all fiberglass body, GM crate engine, custom/new everything (yes everything from fasteners to brake lines to wiring and everything in between). Lots of custom add ons.
So far, I've invested $30k+ over 10 years of the build.

Basically, it's not insured. Even when it's done,the choices for stated value are antinque/restored/custom type insurance (like Haggerty), those policies confine your vehicle to minimal use policies (car shows, parades...etc). The other choice is regular passenger vehiclewhich allows normal usage, but and you can only add so many "customizations" above book value. Basically, she was saying, the most she could get it insured for is mabey $12k or so. And as it sits, unregistered, it's not covered under my homeowners or auto policies, even most of the major parts around not on it wouldn't be covered, and since it's not register-able yet, I can't get the secretary of state (DMV in most other states) to give me a registration. The fiberglass body replaced the steel one which means the VIN plate is bye-bye, either that or I illegally remove the vin plate (which I already actually did and ditched the body) and re-attach it to the new body....yes, that's against the law, technically,here in MI anyway, I have to get the state police to inspect my vehicle and issue a built vehicle VIN.

So, she's saying, and I've heard this before, as it sits in the garage, uncompleted it's not covered, and even when I finish it, it's not really insurable for the value I have in it. She was saying the best she'd be able to do is about $10k in "customizations" added to the book value (basically nothing). Moreover, there's no type of add-on to homeowners or auto, or no other type of policy, that will cover it. I asked about umbrella policies, what if I created some sort of "transport" business, can I get it covered that way. She wasn't just blowing me off, she knows me, and I respect her as an agent, 95% of insurance agents are do-nothing policy initiators and that's it, I really respect this agencies business practices, they do get very involved on claims and help out in alot of different ways.

Anyway, so I'm wondering, what's everyone doing for insurance of their rigs. People build $40k buggies and take them off-roading. People drop $15k engines in their more than minimal use vehicles just so they can take 'em to the track on a weekend. THere's got to be some way I can insure this uncompleted and when I finish it. There just has to, seems ludicrous to me that some insurance place doesn't offer a policy that would cover it somehow.

Does anyone know of a place that will cover a non-minimal use, custom built, stated value auto policy????
 
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Does anyone know of a place that will cover a non-minimal use, custom built, stated value auto policy????
Ran into the same problem when I put my 383 in my truck. The motor is worth more then the truck. So I was concerned with theft. My current auto insurance allstate has nothing. They would cover it for book value no more. So that's about $1k on a good day.

However I did call American Family insurance which was my old auto insurance and they would cover the additional value. I didn't look into that much and probably will here soon to see what the exclusions are. And how they go about basing value if they had to pay out. I'm sure there are some limits. So if they are available in your area you might check them.

You have to keep in mind no matter which company you go with they all have exclusions and gotchas that limit liability that you dont think of until after a claim. Kinda like buying full coverage insurance doesn't cover you if someone without insurance crashes into you and totales your car. That's a seprate policy cause something like that might actually happen. Insurance companies are good at insuring the impossible like space junk landing on your car but things that might actually happen there is usally always an exclusion :doah:
 
There was a big thread on pirate about this.

i will see if i can find it, had alot of good info .

Hagerty was brought up since it deals alot with high value classics, but turns out they do NOT support 4x4s
 
Kinda like buying full coverage insurance doesn't cover you if someone without insurance crashes into you and totales your car.

Happens around here more than you'd think :rolleyes:

I talked with an AutoClub agent about adding to my current policy, no mater what, they will only give me upper range blue book. I have a neighbor who is a Farmers agent, she said that AFTER my truck is painted, she can set me up with a policy that includes add-ons, but not the total of what I have into it. She would tell me straight and set me up best as possible, so I will be going with Farmers once the truck is running.

I feel you man, this shouldn't be that difficult, but they just don't want to accommodate us. I've dropped about 2/3 what you have, I can't see getting a check for $10k to cover everything. That would hurt.
 
There was a big thread on pirate about this.

i will see if i can find it, had alot of good info .

Hagerty was brought up since it deals alot with high value classics, but turns out they do NOT support 4x4s

Indeed, I had already called Haggerty. I have a 1970 original unrestored nice condition low miles Impala insured through them, and they were first on my list. The second I mentioned 4x4, the questions came, 35" tires, 2" lift, out of the question. Anything off-road or 4x4 is not even an option for them. In fact, none of their policies are even non-minimal use. All of their policies are for "occasional use" only.
 
I feel you man, this doesn't that difficult, but they just don't want to accommodate us. I've dropped about 2/3 what you have, I can't see getting a check for $10k to cover everything. That would hurt.

It sure does seem that way. But, still, my brain is stuck on syntax error.
All kinds of people build all kinds of crap. The guy who build's a $30k buggy and trailer's it 1000mi to some off-road park. You can't tell me he's doing that on his own risk. Some might, but somebodies got to offer some sort of insurance for this. Even if I could get $15 or 20k i'd be pretty happy. But to tell me, well, book value is $1000 and we may be able to get some "customizations" added, that's stupid. There has to be some company that insures this sort of thing. There just has to. Well, I guess there doesn't, but, it seems, a business opportunity wasted. People who build these type's of vehicles aren't that rare.
 

Thanks! Helpful!! We'll see if I can make something from the companies mentioned in here and "what to say".
The problem is alot in there seem to be saying one thing and doing another with it. I'm no categorically opposed to that, but I'd rather insure it for what it is if I can help it. Semi-daily use, some off-roading, highly customized, stated/agreed value. But, I'm gonna call those places on monday see if I can get some answers.
 
It sure does seem that way. But, still, my brain is stuck on syntax error.
All kinds of people build all kinds of crap. The guy who build's a $30k buggy and trailer's it 1000mi to some off-road park. You can't tell me he's doing that on his own risk.
Yup pretty much on your own dime. I can actually understand the risk for the insurance company. Cars where designed for driving on pavement. When you start driving off road you start putting the truck in more "risky" situations then insurance companies ever intended. Really all I care about is theft and if I were to total the truck. Mostly just care about theft. If I was to damage it on the trail I'd write it off as a loss.
 
Yup pretty much on your own dime. I can actually understand the risk for the insurance company. Cars where designed for driving on pavement. When you start driving off road you start putting the truck in more "risky" situations then insurance companies ever intended. Really all I care about is theft and if I were to total the truck. Mostly just care about theft. If I was to damage it on the trail I'd write it off as a loss.

Likewise, only theft. I've got TONS of junkyards around me that could supply me with a new body, frame, etc.

Just charge me as if I had a new Tahoe. Gezz :dunno:
 
i got farmers on my 81 all i needed was an appraisal. i can drive it all i want. only limit is not over 100 miles from home unless im going to a car show or something like that
 
i got farmers on my 81 all i needed was an appraisal. i can drive it all i want. only limit is not over 100 miles from home unless im going to a car show or something like that

That interests me. Hmmm. Most places I ever go are inside 100 miles from my house. AND even then if I'm out farther, I'm wheeling it anyway. Would be hard to take it when I'm in it. I'm more afraid of coming home from work and finding it missing, or parts missing. It's a little more secure if I drive it to work once in a while, but even then it's not in the best area. :dunno: hmmm
 
I have Farmers as well and I've asked about this. Basically what I was told is they have a couple local (to me) shops that are part of their trusted network or whatever they call it. It's the shops they do business with when they need to get someone's car fixed.
They said I can take the vehicle by one of the shops that best suits my vehicle and show them what's been done and they can come up with a fair replacement value.
Granted it may not be cheap BUT at least they're willing to recognize an '85 K10 might not just be an '85 K10. :)
 
I just have liability through Farm Bureau, which I think is just an Oklahoma company. Wasnt really thinking about theft on mine because nobody would want to steal the pos probably. LOL. The tires and rims however are new and hopefully never get stolen. If i were to wreck it while driving and had to claim it on insurance I would buy it back and take everything off of it and scrap the rest. Find another and start over, hopefully with alot of good parts already providing they didnt get ruined. If its on the trailer and something happens its covered. If I wreck it offroad its gonna be stripped and a new one found. Need to ask about once I start building it up though cause I will quickly exceed the value of its current state.
 
Lloyds of london will insure it for you.
 
isn't that a rock song :dunno: :D

:doah:can't remember the real name

Don't know about the rock song. Lloyd's of London will insure pretty much anything you want to insure.

They'll insure a nascar with collision coverage. Just a matter of coin.
 
State Farm will only insure mine for liability right now...they said when I get it finished I will need to bring all my receipts and let them see it and "we'll talk"...
 
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