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Laws Regarding Roll Cages and Windshields

willyswanter

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Ok, in Calif. specifically, is there a law saying that the center of the windshield can't have anything in the way of seeing out of it? I want to run two down bars from the halo to the dash bar on my cage, bars will be 1.5" tubing in a V pattern down the center of the windshield. Think the cops will get all pissy? I'd like to know what the actual laws say about this stuff in case I do get pulled over I can explain what I read the law to mean...
 

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just dont get pulled over. normaly on stuff like that cops dont care till they pull you over for speeding or somethig of the such.
also, if you are polite to them you shouldnt have a problem. with your truck as it is im sure they wouldnt say anything about it.
if they do, and they cite you its a 35 dollarish ticket. just show you removed the bars.
one outlook on this would be some sort of quick release system for the bars. you can put them on for wheeling and take htem off for street driving. nor as strong, but if built right then damn close to it.
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i asked a cop once, and he told me anything hanging from my mirror that "obstructed my view of the windshield" was illegal, i dont know if this helps though /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
 

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the only time I have been stopped the cop was just walking around my truggy looking at it in amazement wondering how I built it.
I was sweating all the little laws but he didnt say anything regaurding the down tubes. I dont think he even noticed them.

actual law says anything in the obstruction of the drivers view is illegal but I dont even see the bars anymore so who are they to say whats in my obstruction.
 

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I know its not as strong but you could use takeout bars

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From the vast and all knowing California Vehicle Code:
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26708. (a) (1) No person shall drive any motor vehicle with any
object or material placed, displayed, installed, affixed, or applied
upon the windshield or side or rear windows.
(2) No person shall drive any motor vehicle with any object or
material placed, displayed, installed, affixed, or applied in or upon
the vehicle which obstructs or reduces the driver's clear view
through the windshield or side windows.
(3) This subdivision applies to a person driving a motor vehicle
with the driver's clear vision through the windshield, or side or
rear windows, obstructed by snow or ice.
(b) This section does not apply to any of the following:
(1) Rearview mirrors.
(2) Adjustable nontransparent sunvisors which are mounted forward
of the side windows and are not attached to the glass.
(3) Signs, stickers, or other materials which are displayed in a
7-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield farthest removed
from the driver, signs, stickers, or other materials which are
displayed in a 7-inch square in the lower corner of the rear window
farthest removed from the driver, or signs, stickers, or other
materials which are displayed in a 5-inch square in the lower corner
of the windshield nearest the driver.
(4) Side windows which are to the rear of the driver.
(5) Direction, destination, or termini signs upon a passenger
common carrier motor vehicle or a schoolbus, if those signs do not
interfere with the driver's clear view of approaching traffic.
(6) Rear window wiper motor.
(7) Rear trunk lid handle or hinges.
(8) The rear window or windows, when the motor vehicle is equipped
with outside mirrors on both the left- and right-hand sides of the
vehicle that are so located as to reflect to the driver a view of the
highway through each mirror for a distance of at least 200 feet to
the rear of the vehicle.
(9) A clear, transparent lens affixed to the side window opposite
the driver on a vehicle greater than 80 inches in width and which
occupies an area not exceeding 50 square inches of the lowest corner
toward the rear of that window and which provides the driver with a
wide-angle view through the lens.
(10) Sun screening devices meeting the requirements of Section
26708.2 installed on the side windows on either side of the vehicle's
front seat, if the driver or a passenger in the front seat has in
his or her possession a letter or other document signed by a licensed
physician and surgeon certifying that the person must be shaded from
the sun due to a medical condition, or has in his or her possession
a letter or other document signed by a licensed optometrist
certifying that the person must be shaded from the sun due to a
visual condition. The devices authorized by this paragraph shall not
be used during darkness.
(11) An electronic communication device affixed to the center
uppermost portion of the interior of a windshield within an area that
is not greater than 5 inches square, if the device provides either
of the following:
(A) The capability for enforcement facilities of the Department of
the California Highway Patrol to communicate with a vehicle equipped
with the device.
(B) The capability for electronic toll and traffic management on
public or private roads or facilities.
(c) Notwithstanding subdivision (a), transparent material may be
installed, affixed, or applied to the topmost portion of the
windshield if the following conditions apply:
(1) The bottom edge of the material is at least 29 inches above
the undepressed driver's seat when measured from a point 5 inches in
front of the bottom of the backrest with the driver's seat in its
rearmost and lowermost position with the vehicle on a level surface.

(2) The material is not red or amber in color.
(3) There is no opaque lettering on the material and any other
lettering does not affect primary colors or distort vision through
the windshield.
(4) The material does not reflect sunlight or headlight glare into
the eyes of occupants of oncoming or following vehicles to any
greater extent than the windshield without the material.
(d) Notwithstanding subdivision (a), clear, colorless, and
transparent material may be installed, affixed, or applied to the
front side windows, located to the immediate left and right of the
front seat if the following conditions are met:
(1) The material has a minimum visible light transmittance of 88
percent.
(2) The window glazing with the material applied meets all
requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard No. 205 (49
C.F.R. 571.205), including the specified minimum light transmittance
of 70 percent and the abrasion resistance of AS-14 glazing, as
specified in that federal standard.
(3) The material is designed and manufactured to enhance the
ability of the existing window glass to block the sun's harmful
ultraviolet A rays.
(4) The driver has in his or her possession, or within the
vehicle, a certificate signed by the installing company certifying
that the windows with the material installed meet the requirements of
this subdivision and identifies the installing company and the
material's manufacturer by full name and street address, or, if the
material was installed by the vehicle owner, a certificate signed by
the material's manufacturer certifying that the windows with the
material installed according to manufacturer's instructions meets the
requirements of this subdivision and identifies the material's
manufacturer by full name and street address.
(5) If the material described in this subdivision tears or
bubbles, or is otherwise worn to prohibit clear vision, it shall be
removed or replaced

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I actually think you won't have any problems with most of the cops out there with something like this, as long as you keep the V at the top pretty tight.

Heck, I drove around that state for 6 years with a busted windshield, no front plate, and stuff hanging off the mirror and never got pulled over for any of it.
 

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Thats a big law write-up. I wonder how look it took for them to think of all that stuff. /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif
 

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My guess would be on how the cop is going to interpret that law. Really a crap shoot. But think about this.....What about all the street rods and classics from the mid 50's and back that were originally equipped with 2pc windshields? The had a nice bar that split the window in 2 like a '40 ford, '41 chevy all that stuff. I know at the time it was cool to install glass that was v-butted together at the center joint to eliminate the post, but you could still not see through the seam. I'm not sure if those older cars were "grandfathered" under the previously posted law, but its worth a shot to remind a cop of that if you did get nabbed.
 

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The bottom line will be whether or not any of the cage obstructs your view out of the windshield. If the bar runs near the top of the dash, but doesn't obstruct your view, no violation. If the side tubes run down the windshield frame, but don't obstruct your view, no violation. If you start encroaching into the windshield area with any bar, you can be cited. Of course the courts later will look at it with some reason. If a cross bar near your dash cuts down a very small percentage of your view only once in a while, and it can be rectified by leaning forward slightly in the seat, common sense will probably prevail. Doesn't matter if a million other cars have the same violation, you are the one in the crosshairs at the time of the stop. As with any stop by the po po, whether or not you walk away with a ticket as a result relies on a ton of variables, only some of which you can control.
 

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I think Jason is talking about having 2 vertical bars in the middle of the windshield....from the halo bar to the dash bar....
 

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I look at winshield bars in the same way I look at a 2 piece winshield (Humvee, older jeep, VW van and such). I would think just like beadlocks, racing bels, and lexan glass, you have to tick off a cop pretty good to get him to site you for it. The friggin' ricers cove their whole winshield up with a big sticker that make them look sponsered, and then they put a big azz wiper blade in the middle of it. I don't see it being a big problem unless your cops are more strict than mine. /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
 
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