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Let's talk batteries for a moment.

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Exide/NAPA batterys suck! Buy a AC Delco battery and you will have something. Optima Batterys are also good as well! /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
 
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I have always liked Exides.

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Yes, interstate makes optimas. And if you're dead set on them, buying the one with the interstate sticker gets you one more year of free replacement over the optima. That's what I ran in the last truck.

I think I'm going to go with the interstate blems and meet another ck5 member saturday. Hard to dispute $25 a battery!
 
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I have always liked Diehards, but they're expensive too!
 
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Not wanting to start a flame war here, just want to educate the masses. The Optima is a fair battery, but it has different operating characteristics verses a flat plate flooded battery(most auto batteries on the market). Please keep this in perspective, the battery as we know it, is a very old design, over 100 years old, the manufactures have just convinced the public that they have built a better mouse trap. It is true that a deep cycle battery is designed to discharge to an 80% level, then be recharged. Most deep cycle batteries can be cycled like this 700-1200 times before the rated capacity begins to decrease. That is why these batteries can be used for accesories. In MOST cases, these batteries do not make a good starting battery, because they are rated for a constant discharge over a 6 hour period, usually at a fairly low amphere rate. One thing to also remember is that ALL batteries must gas at the 80% charge level. At this level ALL batties create hydrogen and oxygen gases. At the right levels these can be VERY explosive. It is for this reason that ALL sealed auto batteries must have a safety valve that releases these gases at a preset level. So their is no such thing as a spill proof battery. They are spill proof only to a point, by design these batteries gas less at charge levels, which creates less pressure, which does not open the safety valve. Yes it is true, spiral wound batteries(Optima,Orbital,etc) are very durable, and seem to with stand abuse better than conventional batteries. As I said in the opening sentence, I am not here to put down any brand, just share a little info. Buyer beware, and your milage may very.....
 
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According to the optima info sheet located here [ QUOTE ]
Overcharging
can cause the safety valves to open and battery gases to escape, causing premature failure.

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According to them the safety valves do not open unless the battery is overcharged. Are they considering 80% to be overcharged? I loathe misinformation in a companies information sheets and literature. According to their site [ QUOTE ]
Nonspillable
Because of its completely sealed case, OPTIMA Yellow Top batteries are extremely safe and corrosion resistant. Acid can't leak or spill, making them clean, user-friendly and environmentally sound. In addition, the maintenance free sealed case design eliminates the need to add water or clean terminals.



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Maybe they designed their battery case to hold the normal gas release at 80% and only vent if there is significant gas build up from overcharging?

EDIT: found this on their site

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Does OPTIMA ever Gas?
When used with a properly regulated constant voltage charging system (such as an alternator) the OPTIMA will usually not emit hydrogen gas. However, gassing can occur when charging at higher voltage levels or in extreme high temperature conditions. In automotive applications this typically will not happen if the alternator/regulator stay below 15 volts.

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Yes, that is correct. Batteries are not over charged at 80%. The battery has to have a chemical failure/mechanical failure in MOST cases to overcharge. Understand the charging principals of a vehicle. ALT. are only designed to maintain a battery, not recharge a fully discharged battery. There are ALT. on the market that can put out double, or in some cases triple the factory amp output. These can maintain high amp draws(loads)such as winch, lights, stereo, etc. much easier. But none are designed to fully recharge a battery. I know this is going to cause a arguement, but understanding a battery charging curve would fully explain this principle. Real quick, a battery must be charged at approximately 18%-20% of its rated capacity( also known as start rate, at a constant current) as the gravities and voltages(they are proportional) rise, the charging source begins to taper. Reducing its rate(finish rate at constant current) to approximately 2-4% of the batteries rated capacity. Most ALT. start high, and are reading overall voltage, then reduce voltage quickly when the set point is reached. Throw in accessories, low speed, and ambient temperature, and the charging control is horrible. This is where the battery can become overcharged. Once again, this is not to cause a flame war, just understand, NO battery is without sacrifices. Either reliabilty, or output is always a compromise. Technology is here to produce a high capacity super long life battery, but the cost, and enviromental concerns don't allow it. I have seen deep cycle batteries created at the turn of the century for telephone companies, that are still in business today. But that is a different animal...
 
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But that is a different animal...

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Very much so, no (psycial) shock loads, vibrating plates, lack of water (how many people realy check the H2O before there is a problem?), starting bats used as deep cycle, deep cycles used for starting...
 
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well when i bought my truck the guy was running dual EverstartMaxx batteries.. from wal-mart, they seem pretty good, 770 cold crankin amps and like 960 cold at 32 degrees.. havent had a problem w/ them, and i got the truck in october 02 !! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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Autozone batteries are made by Johnson Controls. So are Blain's Farm and Fleet batteries.

How do I know? I'm a manager at Autozone and I used to work for Farm and Fleet.
 
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Here is my contribution to your battery thread.......long live Strongbad and Homestarrunner! /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

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If you don't behave......I have no choice but to post "Eating Five Batteries" next...... /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif
 
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