sandawgk5
3/4 ton status
Leper said:
I understand that I run Airsoft pellets which have almost no mass either. I just do not agree with their logic.
Ira
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I understand that I run Airsoft pellets which have almost no mass either. I just do not agree with their logic.
Ira
k5floyd
1/2 ton status
not to long ago there was a link posted to a website that had a chart that showed how much weight is needed to put inside all the diff tire sizes. i cant seem to find it. anyone know the site?
Eric M.
1/2 ton status
BigBadCad said:
Hey! I need 6 new BFG M/Ts for my dually, can you score me a deal!? Just kidding ... sorta. Gonna go with 4WPW, they will match my lowest price and do Equal. They will actually spin the tire after to make sure the stuff is balancing correctly.
Eric M.
supersize75k5
OrganDonorRacing.com
BigBadCad said:
well I have some useless ambling to add,
i run nitrogen, but mostlu because I carry a large tank of it and it is cheap for me, it cost me 22.00 to get a tank filled, 200c of it. it does have a larger moleculer stucture. costco now has a mitrogen set up as well, most people who favor it are driving alot, rv goers, track racers etc. In arizona this is even more important if you do alot of driving during the summer, having a tire that does not change air pressure or that does not leak down are quick could mean the difference between a blow out/sepperation or not having one occure.
just drive down the freeway at 5 or 6 pm here, the amount of cars on the shoulder of the road is pretty wild sometimes...lots of blowouts due to impropper tire inflation...which causes heat....which causes a bad day.
my thoughts on it anyways,
nitrogen is not a rip off, its a marketed product that has its use to some, and less use to others, personally spending 40 bucks to have someone rotate my tires is a joke...so why couldn't someone justify another 40.00 for a gas that does not fluctuate in pressure?
sounds like they are making money for a reason.
also my in my 86 I got two 36 in tsls with golf balls in them, I ended um running them, about 4 per tire, along with my other two fronts I added them as well, after plenty of driving the golf balls never looked like that, but you could see where they had struck the rim time and time again. they work if you have enough of the propper amount of them to equal the amount of balance your tire needs.
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so what about the dyna beads???
they have how much weight needs to be in each tire on there website
http://www.innovativebalancing.com/BigTirechart.htm
they have how much weight needs to be in each tire on there website
http://www.innovativebalancing.com/BigTirechart.htm
I run Dyna-Beads, and have been very happy with them. I have them in my 35" BFG AT's which usually balance pretty well, but after some wear (and maybe a little chunking) they were terrible, it was virtually un-driveable above 65mph so I ripped off the wheel weights, threw in some Dyna-Beads, and now it is glass-smooth up to about 80.
few things from a 10 year tire profesional.
equal is o.k. but a waist of time in tires smaller than 35"
. it just dont work. and if you realy want to use it the best way is to regular balence the tire. then break down 1 bead and install the equal and air it back up. it messes with the balencer and gives a funny reading.
and all balence powders keep water out!!!
nitrogen fill is great. it is 4-5 times bigger than air . it has no moisture in it. it runns cooler at temps. and there is a older man that has been useing it and made his own system over 20 years ago. he has his own gravel / rock pit in pa. he said air no more ever again.
also if it dont work why are race car / truck guys useing it like nascar and others.
last if your tire is that far out of balence and its big what do you expect ? if it trully is out of round take it back and ask for another tire. i had a guy that wanted 46" m/t claws. first 4 all good but 1 . went threw 2 more till got a good tire. he said 70 mph no problems.
if the tire sales guy realy wants your buissness and service is his real game, then he will make you happy.
i have found bigger bias swampers tend to like the old school bubble balencer best for the way thay ride on the street.
i have seen my share of crapy tires and brands of tires over the years. and 1 brand comes to mind every day. ( good years ) tend to be heavy in weight needs and square in the tread pattern as the tire spins. thay have been getting better with the new generation of tires in the past year or so.
bottom line is a good tire guy and a person who cares about you and your ride will take the time to do a good job on tire mounting and balencing them.
if you need one just look me up at work.
equal is o.k. but a waist of time in tires smaller than 35"
. it just dont work. and if you realy want to use it the best way is to regular balence the tire. then break down 1 bead and install the equal and air it back up. it messes with the balencer and gives a funny reading. and all balence powders keep water out!!!nitrogen fill is great. it is 4-5 times bigger than air . it has no moisture in it. it runns cooler at temps. and there is a older man that has been useing it and made his own system over 20 years ago. he has his own gravel / rock pit in pa. he said air no more ever again.
also if it dont work why are race car / truck guys useing it like nascar and others. last if your tire is that far out of balence and its big what do you expect ? if it trully is out of round take it back and ask for another tire. i had a guy that wanted 46" m/t claws. first 4 all good but 1 . went threw 2 more till got a good tire. he said 70 mph no problems.
if the tire sales guy realy wants your buissness and service is his real game, then he will make you happy.i have found bigger bias swampers tend to like the old school bubble balencer best for the way thay ride on the street.
i have seen my share of crapy tires and brands of tires over the years. and 1 brand comes to mind every day. ( good years ) tend to be heavy in weight needs and square in the tread pattern as the tire spins. thay have been getting better with the new generation of tires in the past year or so.
bottom line is a good tire guy and a person who cares about you and your ride will take the time to do a good job on tire mounting and balencing them.
if you need one just look me up at work.
sweetk30 said:also if it dont work why are race car / truck guys useing it like nascar and others.
Oxygen is an accelerant and Nitrogen is not. If you have ever watched a car burn when a tire goes the flames get bigger. NASCAR is geared to safety!
Look I wasn't slamming anyone and if you wheel a lot you air up and air down so Nitrogen is a waste of money in my book! Everyone is free to play with their balls and equal to Nitrogen. Me I will stick to regular air and just have my tires ballanced on an as needed basis.
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chevy wrangler
1/2 ton status
my dad took his 35-12.5-16.5 bfgoodrich mud terrain to get mounted and ballanced and the tire shop could not ballance them!! they said that tires get to a certaint point where they cant be ballanced and my dads are way past that!! what do u guys recomend for this??
4xcrazy
3/4 ton status
I emailed these people about a year or so ago, and asked about the 8 lug setup on a Chevy truck, at the time they were in the process of desigining the setup for them,,,looks like they have them for just about everything now...
I have taked with several OTR drivers, and most love them, there were a few that didn't have any good luck with them, but then they would also say that they also had some of the first versions of the balancing rings....
anyhoo, someday i may check into them for the Burb, and also for the dually when it's done.
http://www.centramatic.com/
I have taked with several OTR drivers, and most love them, there were a few that didn't have any good luck with them, but then they would also say that they also had some of the first versions of the balancing rings....
anyhoo, someday i may check into them for the Burb, and also for the dually when it's done.
http://www.centramatic.com/
surpip
1 ton status
WRONGMetrodps said:
Nascar and other race bodies use nitrogen because, with regular air, the tire pressure will increase as the tires get hotter. Race cars no like tire pressure changes.
Also we use Nitrogen in the aircraft tires at work for the same reason. If they landed with regular air in the tires, there is a good possibility the tires could blow.
chevy wrangler said:
i spin balenced those big 46" claws on a semi truck tire balencer machine no problems. aand the guy who told you that 35 radials is a waste of time balencing dosnt deserve your hard earned money.
I've run and use the Innovative Dynabeads. My wife's daily driver and the family/dog transport has them in it's 225/75R16 mud tires. The thing is glass smooth with no tire wobble/shimmy/etc at all.
I ran them in the 33's on the Ranger I just sold but I had problems with two of the wheels/tires. However those two wheels were known to be "untrue" and had a lot of weight on them. I beleive their charts and recommendations assume you have true wheels and good condition tires. It wasn't my DD so I never bothered with it much. I added the few remaining ounces of beads that I had to the tires and the bouncing/thumping got better but didn't go away. If I had more I bet I could have made it go away entirely and be as smooth as the Grand Vitara.
If you have tires/wheels that are known to require a lot of weight you might want to overestimate the amount of Dynabeads to run. At least the same weight of Dynabeads as you have lead strapped/stuck to your wheels. I figure for my 36x12.5-16.5 GY Wrangler RT/II's I'll run enough for a 38" or 39" tire. Unless you absolutely fill the tire with beads it's about impossible to have too many.
I'm planning on ordering some more for the Tracker's 31's, the CUCV's 36" HMMWV bias plies, and to rebalance the new tires that are going onto the GV sooner or later.
As far as tire shops telling you a tire can't be balanced...yeah...most know exactly what the book says or Ed the guy that's worked there for 10 years heard from his cousin Leroy's neighbor. I roll my eyes when they call 31's "BIG TIRES". You can buy new vehicles with 35's now...that must just rock their worlds. The local Discount Tire told me the reason it took them 3 tries to properly balance the narrow 33" Interco TrXus MT's on my Ranger was that "Swampers were too heavy and about unbalanceable."
I ran them in the 33's on the Ranger I just sold but I had problems with two of the wheels/tires. However those two wheels were known to be "untrue" and had a lot of weight on them. I beleive their charts and recommendations assume you have true wheels and good condition tires. It wasn't my DD so I never bothered with it much. I added the few remaining ounces of beads that I had to the tires and the bouncing/thumping got better but didn't go away. If I had more I bet I could have made it go away entirely and be as smooth as the Grand Vitara.
If you have tires/wheels that are known to require a lot of weight you might want to overestimate the amount of Dynabeads to run. At least the same weight of Dynabeads as you have lead strapped/stuck to your wheels. I figure for my 36x12.5-16.5 GY Wrangler RT/II's I'll run enough for a 38" or 39" tire. Unless you absolutely fill the tire with beads it's about impossible to have too many.
I'm planning on ordering some more for the Tracker's 31's, the CUCV's 36" HMMWV bias plies, and to rebalance the new tires that are going onto the GV sooner or later.
As far as tire shops telling you a tire can't be balanced...yeah...most know exactly what the book says or Ed the guy that's worked there for 10 years heard from his cousin Leroy's neighbor. I roll my eyes when they call 31's "BIG TIRES". You can buy new vehicles with 35's now...that must just rock their worlds. The local Discount Tire told me the reason it took them 3 tries to properly balance the narrow 33" Interco TrXus MT's on my Ranger was that "Swampers were too heavy and about unbalanceable."
I just put some Centramatics on. Initial feeling is that they improved my BAD bouncing by about 85%. I'll give a longer term report soon - unloading all my chit so I can judge the bounce (or lack of) better.
chevy wrangler
1/2 ton status
sweetk30 said:i spin balenced those big 46" claws on a semi truck tire balencer machine no problems. aand the guy who told you that 35 radials is a waste of time balencing dosnt deserve your hard earned money.
he said that 16.5 mags suck at balancing.
chevy wrangler said:
i dont get your coment. please clearify.
chevy wrangler
1/2 ton status
sweetk30 said:i dont get your coment. please clearify.
well the rims were 16.5x10 and the guy who balanced the tires said that these mag rims i have suck and wont be able to be balanced
chevy wrangler said:
i have found rims i cant balence. only from damage from dents/ breaks/ chunks missing/ and so on. i think he smoking somthing. hell try and balence a 14" wide deeeepppp off set viper rim. i have pita.
chevy wrangler
1/2 ton status
one rim was chipped, the 2 best ballanced ones went on front and the worst ones went out back
